Total War: Warhammer

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I bought my 1st Total War game, and of course it's Warhammer! There is a LOT of info to grasp here. It's like learning Civ with a full blown RTS element to it! How the hell have I not tried these games over the years is beyond me! These battles are fuckin nuts!

During the tutorial/campaign I was told to siege a town...Ok. I did. Does this take like several turns of me not doing anything other than looking at the other factions move around? I mean I'm doing micro management shit, Like combining troops, but that's all. Am I supposed to be in a battle looking at me lay siege?

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You have a choice when sieging: You can either just assault it quick and try to break down their gate with your units or climb their walls, or you can starve them out over a series of turns. Starving them out usually results in them waiting until they're about to surrender and then attacking you with diminished units, but you have to tie up an army over several turns to do this. It's just best to assault and get it over with.
 
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You have a choice when sieging: You can either just assault it quick and try to break down their gate with your units or climb their walls, or you can starve them out over a series of turns. Starving them out usually results in them waiting until they're about to surrender and then attacking you with diminished units, but you have to tie up an army over several turns to do this. It's just best to assault and get it over with.

Thank you. I waited them out and they attacked me with a pitiful army. Clearly it was a Brahma route with like 20 deaths!
 

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Having at least 1 army that has some artillery in it for seiging settlements with walls is a good idea so you can attack immediately rather than waiting to build siege engines imo. Depending on the race you are playing its probably good for all your armies to carry them(Dwarves/Skaven have fantastic artillery).
 

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I bought my 1st Total War game, and of course it's Warhammer! There is a LOT of info to grasp here. It's like learning Civ with a full blown RTS element to it! How the hell have I not tried these games over the years is beyond me! These battles are fuckin nuts!

During the tutorial/campaign I was told to siege a town...Ok. I did. Does this take like several turns of me not doing anything other than looking at the other factions move around? I mean I'm doing micro management shit, Like combining troops, but that's all. Am I supposed to be in a battle looking at me lay siege?

Tips?

I've always thought that Warhammer was like HoMM III cranked up to 11 and then shot full meth and various other drugs. HoMM had all the elements of TW but executed in a way way simpler manner.
 

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Having at least 1 army that has some artillery in it for seiging settlements with walls is a good idea so you can attack immediately rather than waiting to build siege engines imo. Depending on the race you are playing its probably good for all your armies to carry them(Dwarves/Skaven have fantastic artillery).

The warp cannons were insane that I used.
 

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Having at least 1 army that has some artillery in it for seiging settlements with walls is a good idea so you can attack immediately rather than waiting to build siege engines imo. Depending on the race you are playing its probably good for all your armies to carry them(Dwarves/Skaven have fantastic artillery).
Yeah you want one piece of artillery, or one unit that has the tag to do the same thing(a bunch of the bigger monsters, tag is Siege specialist iirc? something like that). Otherwise you need to spend at least one or two turns building up a tower(only build a tower, nothing else, you don't even have to use it in battle but it needs to be built to start the siege). With artillery you can just go right away though.

I don't think I've ever waited a siege. Shit takes like 12-14turns, during which your army is stuck doing fuck all but still sucking up upkeep, and while technically putting a city under siege will cut the ressources and should be a valid option to reduce reinforcements elsewhere or something like that, since the AI cheats out of their asses to keep up with players, it more or less does fucking nothing. If you don't have artillery, build the tower, do the fight, raze or conquer and then move on.

You can also break walls with certain Hero units, although I think you still have to build a tower? Maybe they changed it or maybe I remember wrong, but that's useful when you don't want to do the ladder bullshit, you ruin all their fucking walls with the hero unit then assault and you just fucking walk in. You can also technically break the walls during the fight but they're tough, some units are good at it and depending on the map setup you can cheese sieges that way.
 

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I bought my 1st Total War game, and of course it's Warhammer! There is a LOT of info to grasp here. It's like learning Civ with a full blown RTS element to it! How the hell have I not tried these games over the years is beyond me! These battles are fuckin nuts!

During the tutorial/campaign I was told to siege a town...Ok. I did. Does this take like several turns of me not doing anything other than looking at the other factions move around? I mean I'm doing micro management shit, Like combining troops, but that's all. Am I supposed to be in a battle looking at me lay siege?

Tips?

Like others said, you don't want to spend turns sieging a town, at least not during normal games. The PC factions get an unfair amount of income anyway, so you aren't really doing much while tying up one of your armies.

A beginning player should start with High elves / Tyrion. His leadership ability will make maintaining a 20 stack army of spearmen and archers dirt cheap. Getting a 20 stack army should always be your first priority. Archers and spearmen are basic units, but since high elf units are very strong across the board, a 20 stack army with those will let you wipe any army early in the game.

When you combine troops, you lose xp on the troops, so try to avoid that. When possible, it is better to have experienced troops replenished.

When playing on normal, you can use diplomacy in the first few turns to make trade agreements, which will boost your income quite a bit for zero investment. Just rank factions according to how much they like you, then go down the list asking for trade agreement.

Do not make agreements other then trade agreements. Non-agression pacts will make factions that dislike the one you have them with, like you less. Military pacts with PC players will get you into wars which you didn't pick, so you absolutely don't want those.

Look at your starter town, and see what towns you need to conquer to complete your province, this will allow you get a bonus, on normal get +population growth.

+pop growth should be a priority when playing at normal difficulty, evolve your towns so you have level 3 town centers along with level 2 walls, and they'll be able to fend off most attackers, so build the cheap growth buildings, you can always destroy them later

If you want to level Tyrion (you should), you can try finding a settlement of low value (not one you intend to build within 20 turns), and repeatedly attack & loot it. Similarly, attacking a weaker army and allowing it to flee, will yield a lot more xp then destroying it in a single battle.
 
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Did they ever make a GOTY / bundle of this? I seem to recall fanatical.com had an (unofficial?) bundle for TWW1. Is it worth it to get TWW1 or just go straight to 2?
 

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Did they ever make a GOTY / bundle of this? I seem to recall fanatical.com had an (unofficial?) bundle for TWW1. Is it worth it to get TWW1 or just go straight to 2?

I don't think there is a bundle no. So I would skip playing TWW1 altogether. That said some of the DLC legendary lords in TWW2 are only available if you have TWW1. And if you aren't a huge TWW nerd I would not buy TWW1 just to get them.
 
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Well I'd say you want to play the game a bunch but if you like it and want more factions, then buy War1 on sale to do Mortal Empire shit is a pretty great deal since you get 4 factions for the price of "1" more or less. They reworked some of them to feel less shit/dated too, Greenskins still not done but overall they're solid. Definitely just buy that shit on sale though. It's possible when they release the 3rd part they'll bundle the first 2 somehow, but since they probably make a lot of money out of their DLCs it's unlikely they'll have a mega bundle with everything in it until years after TW:War3 releases and they're basically done with it.
 
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about 3-4 times a year all the TWW1 and TWW2 stuff goes on sale for about 50% off, so just tag that shit on your wishlist and hit it then, great savings
 
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Did they ever make a GOTY / bundle of this? I seem to recall fanatical.com had an (unofficial?) bundle for TWW1. Is it worth it to get TWW1 or just go straight to 2?

If they were going to do a bundle on the first 2 games, it probably wouldn't happen until, at a minimum, a release date gets set and the marketing department gets rolling on TW:WH 3. Which should (hopefully) be sometime next year. I think the last DLC for WH2 is set for Jan-Feb, so maybe a fall release on WH3 (or at least, I imagine that's what they are shooting for).

If you want to play it now-ish though, you aren't going to spoil anything by buying 2 first. If you like it well enough, you can then go back and buy 1 for more races in the mortal empires map.

If you do play with the WH 1 races, I would recommend the Steel Faith Overhaul mod, as it updates the old world with a few of the newer mechanics (as well as a shitload of other changes).
 
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It's unlikely they will bundle them anytime soon due to how each game and its DLC will unlock factions for the third game. A bundle of all 3 will happen after they've milked all they can from 1&2
 

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To be fair though I think it's really good value in general, besides probably beastmen/wood elves and definitely chaos warriors. You get at least one solid playthrough per DLC if you're interested in the race, possibly 2 if you like both races in the vs type DLCs, and the playthroughs tend to be 30-50hours for me. If you wait for sales it's even better value. And just TW:W2 and TW:W1 having 4races each(well 5 for TW:W1 now that I remember, Bretonnia's free too) it's just a shit ton of time if you like the game for not really much money. It's a bit like how I spent several hundred dollars on PoE or FFXIV over the years but I've gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of them so I kinda don't give a fuck.

And unlike some other games that have a lot of mechanics hidden behind paid DLCs, here you're pretty much just buying the race and their own mechanics(or when it's a pack of existing races, a few uniques units), they're not like forcing the DLCs down your throat, you can buy just the base game and have just as much fun as if you own every single DLC assuming you don't come in with the expectations of playing one specific race that's not in the base game obviously but even then you'd just need to buy the one DLC.

Honestly their model is pretty clean all things considered, the most egregious thing is the preorder bonuses but they made these work for a week after launch so you could wait until launch to read/watch/hear about the game before you decide to jump in and still get the preorder DLC free, so I think even that is fine(and the vanilla preorder was kinda shit, TW:W2 Norsca preorder was pretty sweet though).
 
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Yeah I havent played a TW game since Rome 2? Was thinking of picking up TW Warhammer 2 for xmas sale. DLC worth?
 

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If you don't have TW War 1 then pick up that over the DLC so you can play the Mortal Empires campaign. The DLC are generally focused on 1 or 2 factions at a time - if you know which races you're interested in or the play styles that you like then you can make a more informed decision.

The biggest power spike DLC are High Elves getting Sisters of Avelorn with Queen/Crone and the assortment of goodies that Skaven get in Prophet/Warlock.
 
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Also worth mentioning that DLC content is available to the AI even if you don't own the DLC. So you don't need to buy anything if you just want to see it show up in the campaign, only if you want to be able to use it yourself.
 

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If you don't have TW War 1 then pick up that over the DLC so you can play the Mortal Empires campaign. The DLC are generally focused on 1 or 2 factions at a time - if you know which races you're interested in or the play styles that you like then you can make a more informed decision.

The biggest power spike DLC are High Elves getting Sisters of Avelorn with Queen/Crone and the assortment of goodies that Skaven get in Prophet/Warlock.

Looking over the Steam store, is it really worth paying $20 for a game I won't play (TW:Warhammer 1) to unlock this campaign in TW:Warhammer 2 (also $20 right now)?
 

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Looking over the Steam store, is it really worth paying $20 for a game I won't play (TW:Warhammer 1) to unlock this campaign in TW:Warhammer 2 (also $20 right now)?

The Mortal Empires campaign is the better of the two imo. The Vortex is a much more limited campaign and its 'on rails'. Mortal Empires is much more open in terms of objectives and you can play all the races.
 
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