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OU Ariakas said:

They don't need a ton, they need enough to get people to check Mixer on the reg. I didn't follow Ninja on Twitch so I had no reason to go to Mixer. I do follow Shroud and enjoy some of his games and will check Mixer nightly to see if I want to watch. If I already am there then why would I not look for other streamers I like? Shit, if CobaltStreak (one of @Xevys 1500-5000 average viewer streams) loved to Mixer I'd probably uninstall Twitch since they are the two I watch the most.

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But that's the thing, why would Cobalt move? What's his motivation that outweighs the real risk of losing viewers and income?

I get Ravishing thought about new streamers have a chance to maybe grow, but that's only applicable if there are enough people watching in general to give you an audience that gives you anything in the first place. Mixer would have been better off getting like 20 people all at once, with the knowledge among them that they are all being talked to and moving, than just getting 1 here and there.

I keep hearing about the "they need to get a ton at once" approach... yes, that would be a nice strat but doing it 1 at a time isn't horrible. Everytime a streamer moves it's now news for a week, whereas a big move may have brought an avalanche of viewers right away but if twitch is still dominate the news cycle ends in like a week. idk, i dont see it as a big deal. Do 1 big streamer every 3 months and keep the news cycle rolling, should work out eventually.

mkopec said:

If they pay enough (supposedly millions) why would you not move? You can always go back when your contract expires.

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Trust me, if they paid me that kind of money I'd do a whole lot of shit. That's not my argument. My argument is that now that they are paying people millions, why would you move if you're not getting paid?

slippery said:

Trust me, if they paid me that kind of money I'd do a whole lot of shit. That's not my argument. My argument is that now that they are paying people millions, why would you move if you're not getting paid?

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you dont

Ravishing said:

you dont

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Which makes my point of why the plan doesn't make sense

mkopec said:

You can always go back when your contract expires.

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twitch would be retarded to let them back

slippery said:

Which makes my point of why the plan doesn't make sense

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You have a narrow vision of the plan.
Mixer doesn't need every major twitch streamer.
Bring in a few, breed some of your own, generate a viewer base.
Once the base grows, people will come naturally without paying millions.

Streamers will go where they think they can make the most money. The 1500-5000 viewer guy on Twitch probably wont leave twitch, but that guy won't help mixer anyway. Mixer would need 1000 of those guys, or they snipe a few 200k-500k+ (followers) guys and go from there.

Ravishing said:

You have a narrow vision of the plan.
Mixer doesn't need every major twitch streamer.
Bring in a few, breed some of your own, generate a viewer base.
Once the base grows, people will come naturally without paying millions.

Streamers will go where they think they can make the most money. The 1500-5000 viewer guy on Twitch probably wont leave twitch, but that guy won't help mixer anyway. Mixer would need 1000 of those guys, or they snipe a few 200k-500k+ (followers) guys and go from there.

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I wouldn't call it narrow, I just don't believe it will work. People are inherently resistant to change and don't change to better things due to inertia. Look at how many people still have cable tv. That's making the assumption that Mixer is better than Twitch and has reason to switch in the first place.

I manage a liquor store these days. I can tell you about alternate choices for things that cost less and are in my opinion superior quality, but a large quantity of people are stuck on the brand name they know and unwilling to try something new. These types of switches to Mixer run into the problem of streamers aren't generally unique, and they don't stream 24/7. That person goes offline, people go watch someone they know on Twitch. Now when Shroud comes online again do they see it while they are watching someone on Twitch? That is why Mixer needed a bunch of people at once, to keep people in the platform in the first place. So they always have someone to watch.

slippery said:

People are inherently resistant to change and don't change to better things due to inertia. Look at how many people still have cable tv. That's making the assumption that Mixer is better than Twitch and has reason to switch in the first place.

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So are you saying streamers don't want to switch, or viewers, or both?

Viewers will go to where their preferred streamers/games are.
People still subscribed to Netflix even though they had a Cable subscription. There isn't a reason to be exclusive to 1 service.
And now people are being presented with Amazon, Apple, Disney, etc.
A good amount of people went to Android from Apple.

Streaming is still at extremely early stages.

Peak viewership on Twitch is below 4 million concurrent.
Netflix has nearly 140 million subscribers.
(Netflix concurrents is tough to find, Netflix is ~26% of downstream worldwide while twitch is 3.5%, so ~7x larger, maybe ~28million concurrent? bitrate would alter this number)

Gaming is only starting to enter the mainstream.

There's plenty of room for growth, enough to support multiple platforms.
Age will play a role.. maybe people are resistant to change, but young blood can still be scooped up.

Their plan might suck, but I have a hard time believing Mixer won't be a relevant platform in the near future.

Ravishing said:

So are you saying streamers don't want to switch, or viewers, or both?

Viewers will go to where their preferred streamers/games are.
People still subscribed to Netflix even though they had a Cable subscription. There isn't a reason to be exclusive to 1 service.
And now people are being presented with Amazon, Apple, Disney, etc.
A good amount of people went to Android from Apple.

Streaming is still at extremely early stages.

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Peak viewership on Twitch is below 4 million concurrent.
Netflix has nearly 140 million subscribers.

Gaming is only starting to enter the mainstream.

There's plenty of room for growth, enough to support multiple platforms.
Age will play a role.. maybe people are resistant to change, but young blood can still be scooped up.

Their plan might suck, but I have a hard time believing Mixer won't be a relevant platform in the near future.

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To me I just look at things like the streaming services. CBS Go vs Disney +. CBS go basically tried to launch on the back on a singular known IP in Star Trek Discovery, and their service is doing god aweful. Disney is going to launch with a shit ton of stuff (Nearly a century of movies and cartoons, Marvel, Star Wars, etc) and already has a lot of us subscribed for years.

I don't think either of us is right or wrong, and time will be the true answer.

Edit: and to clarify what I mean by staying on a platform is that for convenience since most people watch a lot of streamers they'll just stay on twitch since that is where most of the people they watch are. It's easier when someone goes offline to just look at who else is online then it is to look at another platform. Look at it like this, how is youtube streaming really doing?

I fucking hate what twitch has become, the more people that move the mixer the better.