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Gameplay now is join green team, join the death ball squad, chase the HZ. Mortars, arty, attack helis, tanks, drills, all a pain in the ass, but they'll only slow the zerg. If you have a big squad talking in the same channel and walking the HZ, you will curb stomp red and blue. Occasionally, red has the better zerg.

FOBs are essentially an irrelevant side quest. The fact that they're going to make them harder to build, seems to me, will make them even less relevant. It's just legos for the autists to play with while the death ball wins.

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Friend of mine and I were talking about the changes and we seriously question if the devs are playing the same game we are on the same servers? Do they play mostly amongst themselves in a walled garden? Are they in a different region?

They talk about how T4 armor isn't a big deal, cause not a lot of people use it. They talk about how building is their key to winning and are nerfing it. They say its all driven by 'statistics and data' they have gathered from the servers. Sure, great. But statistics and data don't mean shit if you can't put them in context. Its like the survivor bias with the plane meme. I really wonder what they are seeing and what stats they are using to back it up, cause from my own experiences nothing I see anecdotally matches their statements.
 
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Mao said:
Friend of mine and I were talking about the changes and we seriously question if the devs are playing the same game we are on the same servers? Do they play mostly amongst themselves in a walled garden? Are they in a different region?

They talk about how T4 armor isn't a big deal, cause not a lot of people use it. They talk about how building is their key to winning and are nerfing it. They say its all driven by 'statistics and data' they have gathered from the servers. Sure, great. But statistics and data don't mean shit if you can't put them in context. Its like the survivor bias with the plane meme. I really wonder what they are seeing and what stats they are using to back it up, cause from my own experiences nothing I see anecdotally matches their statements.
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Someone mentioned my group's Discord that the devs admitted that a death ball zerg is the winningest strat at the moment. I'm not sure how to reconcile that with them also saying building is the key to winning. FOBs *can* complement the zerg if the fobbits get something in place that protect the APC, provide harassmet, call the HZ, etc. Certainly not a necessity at the moment and I don't see how it becomes more effective if they make shit more expensive to build.
 
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Friend of mine and I were talking about the changes and we seriously question if the devs are playing the same game we are on the same servers? Do they play mostly amongst themselves in a walled garden? Are they in a different region?

They talk about how T4 armor isn't a big deal, cause not a lot of people use it. They talk about how building is their key to winning and are nerfing it. They say its all driven by 'statistics and data' they have gathered from the servers. Sure, great. But statistics and data don't mean shit if you can't put them in context. Its like the survivor bias with the plane meme. I really wonder what they are seeing and what stats they are using to back it up, cause from my own experiences nothing I see anecdotally matches their statements.
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I'll be a mild contrarian and say t4 hasn't bothered me too much. It's heavy as fuck and expensive. Ya it's going to win if you come face to face in t2 or with an fmj gun. But I've had no problem dying in the common situation of getting blind sided from an unexpected corner. Really it does best pissing me off as a sniper knowing I won't get 2-3 head shots before they run. Sure some small tweaks of value might be needed and I think they did reduce it's dr.

Out of our various complaints, I just think it's small potatoes mostly to the other stuff
 
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I'll be a mild contrarian and say t4 hasn't bothered me too much. It's heavy as fuck and expensive. Ya it's going to win if you come face to face in t2 or with an fmj gun. But I've had no problem dying in the common situation of getting blind sided from an unexpected corner. Really it does best pissing me off as a sniper knowing I won't get 2-3 head shots before they run. Sure some small tweaks of value might be needed and I think they did reduce it's dr.

Out of our various complaints, I just think it's small potatoes mostly to the other stuff
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Depends highly on engagement. If I get caught out I'm screwed. But... if I catch someone else out, which happens a decent amount, if they're in good armor with a lvl 30 weapon it doesn't matter. I put 6 AP AK47 shots into a guys back (I don't have high level assault unlocked) and he just turned and burped his FAL into me and that was it. So yes, its situational. But, for the current death ball strat I think it is highly influential. Are there ways to counter it? Sure. Love my AMP with the HP Ammo. Fuck your knee caps. But still, that requires way more work than just soaking the ambush and still winning. A well geared death ball rarely dies out until they run out ammo and their armor breaks. (Oh. Edit to add T4 helmets stopping all but AMR headshots is a .... choice. Fuck that.)

As to deathball vs FOB, what I am referring to is a video where the devs talked about how they would win (FOB). Now, it was a short some I am not entirely certain when it was made, but I remember even then being all WTF? and why I keep banging on about the only time I see FOBs work is when they have an indestructible structure around them. They may have since changed their tune on that cause FOBs are mostly just predug graves people can die in. (And great ways to level support and make money :( )
 
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Some of the medic and sniper weapon changes baffle me on paper, still finishing video. M249 not great and took big nerf kinda in cost/grind. Not sure how pkm will be with damage nerf, I kinda suspect undocumented recoil changes etc on some of these.

Nerfs to deliveries, looks like 3-4 runs to break even at least what used to per, really hurts me as I wouldn't trust pilots so id do a delivery for a little support then run off to fight/special mission. Unarmed humvee an extra 50k seems rough.
 
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Some crazy changes. I think they're mostly accurate with a lot of it. I didn't even unlock T4 because the second you put on T3 you're already T-maxing just to move around because of the shitty weight system. I MAYBE notice T4 armor with AP rounds when I hit a guy 5-6 times and he lives, but I mostly just chalk it up to leg/arm shots and AP doing less damage on flesh. TBH a T4 guy vs AP dies the same speed as a T4 armor guy vs AP with an M4. It's kind of stupid, that's why you see a lot of streamer infantry just going T2 because they'd rather maneuever than tank if they're playing angles anyways.

Lotta crazy nerfs. T4 helmets gonna be donezo except for vehicle slayers, which is probably okay. Unfortunately means Mosin AP men are going to be a forever thing since they can 1shot a T3 helmet. Amp/Defib pushed way back gonna make it a bullet-tapping, finger-fucking fest out there. Always remember to buy smokes, fellas! Even if they don't work on the enemies client!

It looks good to me, some of it I don't like, but overall I think it's moving more towards the right direction than wrong one for my play style at least. Pushing Little Bird gunners like 2 pilot levels or whatever is a huge nothingburger. The parachute shit is kind of a nothing burger as well as 90% of people didn't know how to quick-chute and live anyways. If the PKM let's me kill bird pilots early I'll waddle my ass through the zone gladly. Curious about the Ultra as that's supposed to be the least recoil LMG in existence, so that could definitely be a problem if they add in a 5.56 Vector with a 100 round mag. I love that gameplay, but only when I'm on one end of it.

This shit launches at like 4:30am EST so the hardcore sweaters are going to be blasting this shit all day and going to be like lvl 30+ by the time most people play in the afternoon/evening. Gonna be a fucking killzone. Hopefully the customers throw up a level restricted server or two so people can play the game against equals.

I will say I love the friendly fire shit with reports. Unfortunately it's going to mean crashing a heli on accident is a BIG no-no. Probably a hidden FF tag they track across servers too. Hopefully they can shadowban the griefers to their own grief servers which would be hilarious.
 
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Also, what the fuck was up with the #1 clip for 100k? Is that money laundering? That shit happened all the time. Something's off, maybe making an undeserving clip #1 generated enough hate clicks for the publicity to be worth it.
 
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Also, what the fuck was up with the #1 clip for 100k? Is that money laundering? That shit happened all the time. Something's off, maybe making an undeserving clip #1 generated enough hate clicks for the publicity to be worth it.
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Even more so, a rather boring clip of a "Level 1 Pilot" who barrel rolls his bird to dodge incoming missiles then jumps out after making last minute adjustments to aim his helo at something I can't see. It crashes into a tower, gets him a kill and levels him up to Level 2 Pilot. Oh, and he has full kit when he jumps out.

Yeah... level 1 pilot. Sure :D It triggers my paranoia gland, but my paranoia gland is /way/ overdeveloped as an occupational hazard, so.... sure. But lot of people are very puzzled/suspicious of that one winning.
 
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That's where I ended up this season. Haven't played since Saturday. In the betas I was more Support focused, but ended up spending 75% of my time in a FoB rezzing people and killing intruders, so I might as well have been killing the HZ and rezzing geared players.
 
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Going to break a keyboard, the number of maaws I shoot at what feels like a easy 50m blackhawk and the rocket just disapears, doesn't leave enough trail to see what the fuck happened to the round, just zips slighty over under, fuck if I know where they are going, for all I know they are not arming. People say 15m or 20m or whatever, meanwhile I watch youtube faggots look like they are only 10 away blowing up trucks.

Never actually did humvee vs rocket heli, not sure if audio bug visually audibly I took 1 maybe 2 rockets and exploded. I can't wait for the .50, but I'm just sick of any infantry anti air. I dont know if my FOV is funny and it's throwing stuff off or wtf because my sight picture/lead is pretty similiar to what I watch and I only peg immobile stuff pretty much, or hell I even watched a hovering pretty idle blackhawk just seemingly take no damage. Am I so lucky every shot goes thru cargo door?

Might swap to rpg for the hope of a natural arc and more visual feedback. A few lone really far shots seems like maaws flies true, then suddenly drops off a cliff vs keeping a stable trajectory.
 
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Land mine on the cursor, because that makes sense. Battlefield? Who gives a fuck. Here, oh well I guess I'll take my 25k and go get fucked because of a $500 unattended item w/ no despawn timer.

Just as I've said ad nauseum, fuck doing anything but meatgrinding away in the infantry blob. Almost everything else way too high risk, or is inconsequential. If you have to be wierd, you will have a far higher rate of return spamming free kits w/ c4/ied and little else.

I first got interested in this game because I wanted battlefield since they murdered their own game many interations ago. And I'm just really esp with patch notes realizing this aint it either. One kind of helicopter spam is all you get, some apache's later. You hardly see vehicles used other than the odd MG truck harassing fob early. Gepard is only really kinda middleground being introduced. We already know t72 going to fair no better than the completely ignored/inconsequential leopard. It's just zerg swarm + snipers effectively with the FOB sandpit for the over 60 or autistic kids.

It's not just lack of vehicle choices, ground is littered with so much shit, vehicles on ground like shit, hit odd little angles of ground and go cartwheeling. Like gun play feels pretty good, like a modern enough shooter but then trying to use a tank almost requires a squad and the vehicles handle like arma garbage that was balanced by playing infantry requiring equally vague and obtuse controls.
 
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Exit vehicle, every match it seems to pick one direction and that's where you face always disorientating. No matter vehicle or view this match it was getting out pointing South by South East. Map Before it was off center from north. No matter how I exited.
 
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Xevy said:
Also, what the fuck was up with the #1 clip for 100k? Is that money laundering? That shit happened all the time. Something's off, maybe making an undeserving clip #1 generated enough hate clicks for the publicity to be worth it.
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It was cool, but not #1 cool.. i'm convinced #2 was #2 because
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Otherwise that shit shoulda been one.. holy fuck.
 
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It was cool, but not #1 cool.. i'm convinced #2 was #2 because
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Otherwise that shit shoulda been one.. holy fuck.
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Yeah, I think there's a huge dev comment on the video about how they wanted to get a clip that showed a bunch of different things and they didn't want to blow up the skirt of some content creator who's already successful.

Still, #7 and #2 were definitely objectively BETTER. I have clips of funnier shit than some of these, but I thought the competition would be a bit stiffer. The reward for 99 of them is just 100k IN GAME, so that's whatever. Exposure if you care, I guess, but outside of the top 10 I don't think anyone cares about any of these people. Some of the shit like watching people just kill unaware Bobs with no gear on was eyerolling, but 100 clips is a lot of clips to fill!
 
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Yeah i'm kinda mad that I didn't try to clip more.. everything I did was long format and generally filled with people cod mic'ing me.

I don't mind that dude getting 100k, I thought it was pretty cool.. just the setup on #2 and the sorta effort/impact was absolute bonkers; the epitome of the magic that is wardogs, proxchat, and the sandbox. But comparing 7 to 1, I'd still take 1 over 7 given that the attempt on #1 was far less(Pilot Lv2) than how many times we've seen rendezook//loopzook for 20+ years now.. I woulda been more mad if that had been #1 haha. Granted, hes definitely not a Lv2 Pilot.. but more than likely came from BF or Arma.. but hey, just opinions. Not that rendezook isn't amazing to see or the clip isnt impressive, but I feel like that shit is jackie chan levels of stunts.. you try it 1000 times and get it a couple.. and sure it could happen first try but you'd never really know.

edit; just read the comment; pretty much similar sentiment rofl.. but yeah idk always loved dearsomeone and eftwtf, so I didn't mind clipsonclips. Only one that I thought may have a running was the rightangle triple off a collat but it was just like wtf holy shit lol.
 
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Hard to take advantage of, but if you can be in a vehicle when someone captures a fob, good big xp boost to driver instead of just whatever infantry class. Need to team up to do that, because as always first few lvs to ural sucks, now you unlock building supply and the other pallets are a fortune, My stuff is all lv 5/6 and can't unlock very much at all due to cash restraint. At least i got a good boost to assault farming some fobbits.
 
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