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Sanrith Descartes
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That thing tracks just a hair to the east and its a near perfect slam of New Orleans. I'm sure they fixed all the pump and levy problems after Katrina. Right?
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did they ever rebuild on that land? i gotta say if they did, those people are really putting their trust in the Army Corp Of Engineers not to shit the bed AGAIN.That thing tracks just a hair to the east and its a near perfect slam of New Orleans. I'm sure they fixed all the pump and levy problems after Katrina. Right?
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The Corp of engineers spent billions making a new steel sea wall sunk interlocked together sunk down like 80 feet. 8 miles long, 150' deep and largest surge barrier in the world according to the video I linked below. The corps is not well liked in Louisiana. 50% of the things they have done turn out to be a disaster that makes things worse. Louisiana takes more damage with milder hurricanes post the Corp getting involved. Same goes for the locks and dams on the river as well. The MS levees prevented flooding in some spots and created mass floodings that never had them, and the levee system keeps getting taller and longer. There was a series on the history channel when they actual showed decent shit guy worked on the wall showing what all was involved. The canals failed in a situation they were designed to take. Would have taken if the levee district wasn't your normal every day New Orleans corrupt. A few barges got loose and hit the canal levees and broke it, all she wrote.
New Orleans didn't take it bad from the actual hurricane. Friend was working at the Charity hospital on Canal and called a few hours after the storm hit. Staff was out walking the street looking around, rain and wind had already moved off. Dry as ever. Then the canals failed after the storm surge sat on them for a number of hours.
The people you saw on the interstate after the storm that someone had to save most of them lived in the projects and couldn't draw up water before the storm hit. They couldn't walk up a flight of stairs to stay with someone they knew. LOT of the people had never worked in their life, possible never knew someone that had worked in their life. The projects go on for block after block. Born there will die there.
Staying at my parents house in MS right now. Right at the LA border minutes from I-55 which goes straight stouth into New Orleans. 1.5 hours almost downtown on the river. During Katrina they turned I-55 into contra flow because coon asses can't read a map to find out how to get somewhere other than the interstate.
10 years later New Orleans came out much netter than Baton Rouge and Houston. Shipped off their ghetto trash that liked to kill each other. For a while New Orleans got kinds hipster and real estate picked up.
New Orleans didn't take it bad from the actual hurricane. Friend was working at the Charity hospital on Canal and called a few hours after the storm hit. Staff was out walking the street looking around, rain and wind had already moved off. Dry as ever. Then the canals failed after the storm surge sat on them for a number of hours.
The people you saw on the interstate after the storm that someone had to save most of them lived in the projects and couldn't draw up water before the storm hit. They couldn't walk up a flight of stairs to stay with someone they knew. LOT of the people had never worked in their life, possible never knew someone that had worked in their life. The projects go on for block after block. Born there will die there.
Staying at my parents house in MS right now. Right at the LA border minutes from I-55 which goes straight stouth into New Orleans. 1.5 hours almost downtown on the river. During Katrina they turned I-55 into contra flow because coon asses can't read a map to find out how to get somewhere other than the interstate.
10 years later New Orleans came out much netter than Baton Rouge and Houston. Shipped off their ghetto trash that liked to kill each other. For a while New Orleans got kinds hipster and real estate picked up.
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Borzak
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Prediction down to Cat 3. People always ask why people live down there. I wouldn't. Especially for retail crap that you could work any number of other places.
Pre Oil Boom and cars in the US New Orleans was a pretty small/sleepy town. New Orleans is the gateway to the gulf and oil. The largest heliport in the world is over in Morgan City, LA (13,000 poeple, 46 helipads). Oil rig support. There are 75ish refineries and chemical plants in the 90 river miles between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. Then throw all the river traffic coming and going, there's your money maker for people.
I don't want this to get moved to the politcal thread or rickshaw. Life in Louisiana and pay is not all that bad, in fact pay is pretty good. However there's approximately 30% of the population that suck down the average.
Pre Oil Boom and cars in the US New Orleans was a pretty small/sleepy town. New Orleans is the gateway to the gulf and oil. The largest heliport in the world is over in Morgan City, LA (13,000 poeple, 46 helipads). Oil rig support. There are 75ish refineries and chemical plants in the 90 river miles between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. Then throw all the river traffic coming and going, there's your money maker for people.
I don't want this to get moved to the politcal thread or rickshaw. Life in Louisiana and pay is not all that bad, in fact pay is pretty good. However there's approximately 30% of the population that suck down the average.
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Prediction 8 hours ago was Cat 3 too. It's just going to bounce around but we all know how that goes. Could be anything from a T-Storm to a Cat45 by landfall.
10-20 inches in NO in rain alone.
Also showing as still a 4 prior to landfall but going to a 3 as hits grasslands/shallows.
I almost consider that even worse as it will have all that surge built but with slowing wind fields it becomes more like a Buick trying to steer than it does a hotrod. so the water is pushed outward instead of keeping tighter if that makes any sense at all.
TLDR- F our gas prices straight in the ass. Goddamnit
Fill up NOW
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I haven't looked in a while, but 5ish hours ago they were shifting the prediction to the west more toward Lake Charles which got hit hard last year, then move up into East, TX. It's been pretty dry here the last few days. Before two weeks ago it rained everyday. Baton Rouge set a record with 48" of rain in the first 6 months of the year (normal 60" a year). But the humidity has gone down which apparently is supposed to help post landfall.
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Prediction now 4 and 2 by the time it hits Baton Rouge which is where they predict it be now. By noon probably Lake Charles and by 3pm the prediction will be Pensacola if it goes as normal predictions. 100 miles northeast of Baton Rouge power already been off and on twice today. Winds not blowing who knows what they are doing.
I love listening to the radio during hurricane evacuations. People can't figure out why LA and MS don't have automatic gate closuers on the interstate for 300 miles north, east, and west so NO can leave contra flow. Ummm NO is the largest town in the region on the coast till you get to Houston. Imagine the cash to put all that in and lots of over over elevated portions over water. Sounds cheap lol. Only been used once before but let's spend billions and billions (in my Carl Sagan voice).
Baton Rouge this morning on I-10 going across the MS river. Other than having no traffic going the other way doesn't look all that abnormal, especially if there's a wreck on the bridge. That's headed west toward Houston. I showed mom and she said doesn't look bad. That's I-110 on the right side coming and in and she said look there's an actual end of the traffic of people getting on I10 coming from in town. Not bad at all.
I love listening to the radio during hurricane evacuations. People can't figure out why LA and MS don't have automatic gate closuers on the interstate for 300 miles north, east, and west so NO can leave contra flow. Ummm NO is the largest town in the region on the coast till you get to Houston. Imagine the cash to put all that in and lots of over over elevated portions over water. Sounds cheap lol. Only been used once before but let's spend billions and billions (in my Carl Sagan voice).
Baton Rouge this morning on I-10 going across the MS river. Other than having no traffic going the other way doesn't look all that abnormal, especially if there's a wreck on the bridge. That's headed west toward Houston. I showed mom and she said doesn't look bad. That's I-110 on the right side coming and in and she said look there's an actual end of the traffic of people getting on I10 coming from in town. Not bad at all.
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Sanrith Descartes
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Gotta admit, building a city at what amounts to the bottom of a bowl surrounded by water is not one of history's shining moments.
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It wasn't built like that to begin with. The city is sinking the more water the corps pumps out the lower the city gets. Like I said 100 years ago New Orleans was a "town" not a city built for river traffic.
There's a reason the low parts are the ghetto of the ghetto. Anyone that can leave did leave for the last 50+ years. There's a reason the only thing there is the projects, nobody that could work left decades ago. It's not just the bad part of town like most cities have, it's the ghetto of the ghetto. There's a ladder system of ghetto and that's the bottom of the bottom even for New Orleans. 9th ward.
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Sanrith Descartes
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And it is the hubris of man that instead of saying.. "hmm city sinking, maybe we should leave and build elsewhere" we instead say "let's spend tens of billions to make it "livable".
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As stated it's built there for a reason, unless you manage to move the Gulf and all the Oil infrastructure of south LA good luck. Now living there and building casinos and shit, no idea they can be built anywhere. The french quarter can be built in any rat infested area. The money maker there is the petrochemical money and it's built to support the rigs in the gulf and south LA infrastructure that are even more in water than New Orleans is.
Have at it, if you enjoy $10/gallon gas. And unfortunately because X nunmber of people and companies need to be there to support something then Y number of people grow up around them to support those people. Like I said, until oil/gas took over the area New Orleans was an outpost on the MS river really. So basically pay for moving it with increased gas prices or pay for fixing the shit later. I don't like it either, there's a reason my money comes from petrochemical crap and I do not live in New Olreans or anywhere near it. I have a friend that lives there. I think he's fuck nuts crazy and tell him. He is getting his PhD paid for by the state after moving into administration from nursing. His wife is a nurse practicioner. He could liver literally anywhere. Lives in Metarie after getting stuck at the Charity hospital in New Orleans. They had one land line and phones did and people only had numbers in their phone so they coudln't call. He called me and told me to take care of his wife if he didn't make it. I told him long ago, you're own your own next time living there and working in the same fucking hospital. Whole hospital is built to support people who can't/won't get a job and get out of New Orleans.
Having lived outside Houston if they had a Katrina size hurricane it would be just as bad if not worse. More chemical plants and refineries and even less places to go. MUCH large population. East to Baton Rouge which is tiny in comparison, west to San Antonio which is large. North to East, TX lol yeah town after town after 10-20k people. Up to Dallas would help. It's called the Bayou city for a reason.
Doesn't matter where, towns are made to support vacation sized groups. Not entire metro areas popping in overnight.
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Sanrith Descartes
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I totally get what you are saying about the energy sector. But I wonder how many people in NO actually contribute/support the sector and the rest are just poors and those required to support the poors (like those hospitals)
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A LOT of people as mentioned that will never work. The largest employer in the state of LA now is the university medical center. Which is the new name for Charity hospital in New Orleans. D governor in LA much like during Katrina. There's a reason I haven't lived in LA since I left high school. A LOT of people live outside New Orleans in the suburbs or across the lake on the north shore and drive in across the causeway each day. Lot of petrochemical stuff and workers is on the west bank across the river from New Orleans. But when they show NO panicing and the mayor saying they couldn't spare cops to impliment contra flow it's because the cops in the city are trying to hold down shit from being looted.
Until they rebuilt charity and named it university medical center the largest employer in the state was Exxon. So now the largest employer adds nothing to the economy at all.
I'mt not defending NO as a good place to live. I grew up 45 minutes from NO and have been there less than 10 times in my life and most of that was to Tulane hospital when I was a kid. Not a fan at all. Just pointing out why some people live there other than free money.
If it hits New Orleans I expect it to be as bad or worse than Katrina. Got a governor that holds a press conference daily, literally since he was elected. I'm from Baton Rouge and probably 90% of the people I went to school with live in another state. For a short while I lived right across the river from Baton Rouge for a company that supported the Exxon refinery downtown, on contract. Company hasn't laid anyone off since they started in 1973. Average time working there was 30+ years. Nobody there actually lived in East Baton Rouge Parish except the owner. His wife also has money her fmaily owns one of the 5 star restaurants in New Olrenas. Of course he lived in town and also owned 1,000 acres an hour north of Baton Rouge that his family spent weekends at.
But the money is good if you manage to live outside certain areas. I mean I have a GED and have earned in the 6 income figures every year and once hit 7 in a year. That's the petrochemical business. Haven't worked in 6 years still living off that money.
Not just energy sector. The largest port by tonnage in the US is south of Baton Rouge between BR and NO. All that crap takes people and people make other people move in around them to support them.
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Gets moving. Also as gets pointed out in this thread often. A number of people will stay because they figure by end of day it will change direction 10 times in the predictions and not hit anywhere near them or not near as strong. People have seen it often in their life and just shrug.
Lower MS river river stage predictions from NOAA. Looking at the map looks like it has to be major flooding to be out of the ordinary. The MS river is above flood stage numerous times a year as well as all the feeder rivers. The 2 major flooding guages are north of the lake and just south of the MS line.
2 Gauges: Major Flooding
11 Gauges: Moderate Flooding
12 Gauges: Minor Flooding
6 Gauges: Near Flood Stage
197 Gauges: No Flooding
26 Flood Category Not Defined
2 At or Below Low Water Threshold
33 Gauges: Forecasts Are Not Current
0 Gauges: No forecast within selected timeframe
0 Gauges: Out of Service
Lower MS river river stage predictions from NOAA. Looking at the map looks like it has to be major flooding to be out of the ordinary. The MS river is above flood stage numerous times a year as well as all the feeder rivers. The 2 major flooding guages are north of the lake and just south of the MS line.
2 Gauges: Major Flooding
11 Gauges: Moderate Flooding
12 Gauges: Minor Flooding
6 Gauges: Near Flood Stage
197 Gauges: No Flooding
26 Flood Category Not Defined
2 At or Below Low Water Threshold
33 Gauges: Forecasts Are Not Current
0 Gauges: No forecast within selected timeframe
0 Gauges: Out of Service
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