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There is no mechanism in the body that prevents you from producing wasted and sloughing off dead cells from inside your digestive track in the absence of carbs. There is certainly a vast reduction of waste material produced when you don't eat carbs, but the idea that you stop shitting without carbs is baseless.
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I've actually never researched Paleo, but I imagine it is much like the Keto thing in that there are a large number of interpretations and even cottage industries that have popped up to support them.
While I eat fruits and occasionally vegetables, they are a very small portion of my diet. Most days I don't eat them at all and I am far more likely to eat fruit than vegetables.
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Paleo never really caught on. The general idea was to stick to a hunter-gatherer diet as much as possible.
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How is gluconeogenesis not proof that we evolved eating mostly protein and fat, since its existence means that our bodies evolved expecting to go for extended periods of time without carbs? Wouldn't its existence suggest our successful genetic ancestors would be eating mostly protein and fat, otherwise our bodies would have developed similar mechanisms to create the fats and proteins necessary for survival when there is an abundance of glucose in the body?
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Its a process that produces carbs at an energetic loss yet has been conserved. Only reason that is the case is that carbs are needed badly enough that the body is willing to be inefficient to produce them.
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Carbs are a relative recent addition to the human diet in terms of the length of time we’ve been around. The thinking our bodies somehow need carbs is dead wrong. Most humans before “civilization” and advent of farms are mostly meats fruits when they were around and nuts and other such shit. Some carbs? Sure, but not like after we started farming the shit. It’s not like pre civ humans gathered grass seeds and grinding them to make breads.
That is also my experience. As long as you don't eat too much processed food (including bread), you don't really need to count calories or anything. It's really hard to overeat chicken or vegetables, your stomach will burst before you've reached 1k5 calories. Of course you can force feed and get bigger on clean diet like some bodybuilders would do. Even then, I'm not sure if bodybuilders could get as big as they are now without processed food.
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Counting calories is not sustainable and just locks you into a pseudo food prison. everyone is different for sure and some shit works better with some than others and im no food expert or dietician but I can tell you for sure the most sustainable diet I ever lost weight on and kept it off for years was very low carb. Then covid happened and stuck at home I gained some of it back...
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If by "carbs" you mean processed and agricultural starches, yeah, but if you mean it literally as chemical carbohydrates they've been a primary component of diet forever in the form of fruits and vegetables.
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Even fruits and veg were a rarity. Without farming youre not getting that shit on the regular. Not to mention highly seasonal and hard to keep for extended periods of time.
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The systems in our bodies that process carbs predate humans by millions of years.
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Yeah because we evolved from them. And your point is? Cavemen somehow had fruit gardens and potato farms?
I think that's backwards.
"The diet of the earliest hominins was probably somewhat similar to the diet of modern chimpanzees: omnivorous, including large quantities of fruit, leaves, flowers, bark, insects and meat (e.g., Andrews & Martin 1991; Milton 1999; Watts 2008). Tooth morphology and dental microwear studies suggest that the diet of some hominins may have included hard food items such as seeds and nuts, and underground storage organs (USOs) such as roots and tubers (Jolly 1970; Peters & O'Brien 1981; Teaford & Ungar 2000; Luca et al. 2010)"
Evidence for Meat-Eating by Early Humans
The first major evolutionary change in the human diet was the incorporation of meat and marrow from large animals, which occurred by at least 2.6 million years ago.
www.nature.com
Hunting only started ~500k years ago, which is still fairly recent on an evolutionary timeline.
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My point is that you are saying some processes are relatively new additions to humans while these processes pre date humans. They cant exactly be new to us if they are older than us.
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YEah and then we moved the fuck out of africa. And then what? And some specuulate that it was consuming large amounts of protein that over time made our brains bigger. I mean even your link says this. First major evolutionary change was meats and fats.
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Probably the wrong thread for this but just a review of sorts
I've been lifting, cycling, swimming regularly since I was maybe 16 (almost 40) - have a squat rack, dozen bumper plates, kettlebells of all weights basically, carbon road bike and a pool. I use all frequently. Since COVID (and really since the baby was born 19 months ago) I've been using the squat box more infrequently (partly out of caution with kids running around "dad" all the time, and partly because it was kind of a PITA). Switched over to mostly kettlebell exercises only but felt like I was still missing some things from the rack.
Bought a Tonal back in January and haven't looked back. Sold Rack. Kept all but a few kettlebells and between the bells and the Tonal I've probably never been fitter. Not sure if it's the digital weights themselves, the trainers, the instant feedback loop (with #'s, % increases etc) or what but it's crazy to me how effective that machine is. On "off days" (1-2 days a week) I hit my kettlebells and cycle, but the tonal is more gratifying and simple to use. My wife, who has never been into weight training (she'll do pilates, yoga, etc and is really thin naturally) has also been using it 3-5 times a week with unbelievable success. I know that she'd have similar results lifting normally, but this works just as well
This probably sounds like the peloton nonsense I'd hear from people during the honeymoon phase and perhaps it is, but this is different. If you like lifting and weight training, it's the best I've seen and I've had/tried them all.
I've been lifting, cycling, swimming regularly since I was maybe 16 (almost 40) - have a squat rack, dozen bumper plates, kettlebells of all weights basically, carbon road bike and a pool. I use all frequently. Since COVID (and really since the baby was born 19 months ago) I've been using the squat box more infrequently (partly out of caution with kids running around "dad" all the time, and partly because it was kind of a PITA). Switched over to mostly kettlebell exercises only but felt like I was still missing some things from the rack.
Bought a Tonal back in January and haven't looked back. Sold Rack. Kept all but a few kettlebells and between the bells and the Tonal I've probably never been fitter. Not sure if it's the digital weights themselves, the trainers, the instant feedback loop (with #'s, % increases etc) or what but it's crazy to me how effective that machine is. On "off days" (1-2 days a week) I hit my kettlebells and cycle, but the tonal is more gratifying and simple to use. My wife, who has never been into weight training (she'll do pilates, yoga, etc and is really thin naturally) has also been using it 3-5 times a week with unbelievable success. I know that she'd have similar results lifting normally, but this works just as well
This probably sounds like the peloton nonsense I'd hear from people during the honeymoon phase and perhaps it is, but this is different. If you like lifting and weight training, it's the best I've seen and I've had/tried them all.