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Sheriff Cad

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I mean, are you literally saying that downregulation is a myth?
Not a myth, no, just wildly overstated as a reason for being obese/can't lose weight. It's entirely due to what they are shoveling in their mouth.
Do you think we all have equivalent metabolisms?
Not at all.
and that they don't change throughout our lives?
Yes, they do not. See the studies cited above.
 

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My $0.02 having no idea what you look like or your age or weight... I'm ~50 also, and I don't think my BMR has changed since my 20's. People's activity levels change, though, and in your 20's while you were out moving shit, doing sports with your friends, going to the gym even when you were tired because who the fuck was ever tired in their 20's... your natural activity level was probably off the charts in your 20's which resulted in burning a lot more calories without trying.

As we get older assuming your hormone profile has remained similar, I don't think your BMR really changes much if at all, but we do spend a lot more time resting/sitting/whatever just because we're old fucks.

Studies bear this out also.



Also, I don't see how people don't adjust what they're doing/eating before they gain 100 pounds over a decade. It's not like that just sneaks up on you. If you gain 10-15 pounds do you not go "I need to change my habits/do something" ??
I mean, I think we all know why people don't adjust their habits before gaining 100 pounds. This is America after all.

I had a slump in my 30s where I was working too much (desk job) and was recently divorced so I wasn't putting effort into fitness like I had the prior decades. Now, at 44 I'm actually in the best shape since college. I just believe I need to lose a couple inches on the waist (work and client dinners are killing my stable diet) and I think that will amount to roughly a dozen pounds between excess water and fat.

November's DEXA scan showed me at 20.4% body fat, which is too high in my opinion. I want it to be 13-15% but that's going to be a long road. Doing another scan in June and my hope for that reading is 18-19% which means I'm heading in the right direction.
 
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Not a myth, no, just wildly overstated as a reason for being obese/can't lose weight. It's entirely due to what they are shoveling in their mouth.

Not at all.

Yes, they do not. See the studies cited above.
It always comes down to intake of course. Not eating always works. However, maintenance levels can vary pretty dramatically between people.

Also, your second article says that old men had 21% lower resting energy expenditure than young men but blames it on a difference in fat free mass. The first says that "Fat-free mass-adjusted expenditure" is relatively constant. Well ok. So your metabolism is roughly a function of your muscle mass which generally decreases as you age, as you become more sedentary, or as you diet your ass off (literally lol) ). So I don't think those disagree with me at all.

and for a study actually done on crash-dieting fatties:
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Also, your second article says that old men had 21% lower resting energy expenditure than young men but blames it on a difference in fat free mass. The first says that "Fat-free mass-adjusted expenditure" is relatively constant. Well ok. So your metabolism is roughly a function of your muscle mass which generally decreases as you age, as you become more sedentary, or as you diet your ass off (literally lol) ). So I don't think those disagree with me at all.
Fat-free mass and activity level are broadly correlated, so yes. If you sit around and lose muscle and get fat, your metabolism slows down. Not because you got old, because you lost muscle and got fat.

That would happen at 25 the same as it happens at 50. Eat less, move more.
 

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Fat-free mass and activity level are broadly correlated, so yes. If you sit around and lose muscle and get fat, your metabolism slows down. Not because you got old, because you lost muscle and got fat.

That would happen at 25 the same as it happens at 50. Eat less, move more.
Of course, but find a chart of the average muscle muscle mass by age. What % of men have the same muscle mass at 25 and 50? That its technically possible doesn't mean it's practically applicable. The general statement "your metabolic rate decreases as you age" is going to hold true for the vast majority of people. "You can improve your metabolism with resistance training" is a much more useful way to look at it.
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If you are going from low-dose fiber to higher dose, best to start slow and work your way up. And yes, make sure that you increase your fluid intake AND your fiber intake.

Another easy way to add on fiber (although processed food) are the carb balance tortillas. The taco sized ones are about 60% recommended daily value, while the wrap ones are 100%.
 
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You were 400+ lbs., consuming 1500 cal/day, and losing 0 weight?

1-3 days for a bowel movement is absolutely normal and not at all a "medical emergency". Unless by "every few days" you meant 7+? Most of that is attributable to the massive abuse of opiates in this country.
The more I explain, the less I am believed or appreciated, so yes, but the original context for that statement was a range of approx 1500-2000 calories. My endo said that due to combination of genetics, activity, and meds, that can sometimes be the case; it wasn't necessarily fair.

I provided all of that detail for context as to why my experience was such an outlier. My calories counts, while approximate, are generally ballpark because I have to estimate how much insulin I need to take: It's something every T1d diabetic does as a matter of course as a matter of survival. I get that the numbers in all respects are extreme; that is in part why I wanted to share them, because I was so thrilled about my results and turnaround.
I certainly won't ruffle any more feathers and appreciate all the great advice re: complications. It has indeed helped!
 
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You were 400+ lbs., consuming 1500 cal/day, and losing 0 weight?

1-3 days for a bowel movement is absolutely normal and not at all a "medical emergency". Unless by "every few days" you meant 7+? Most of that is attributable to the massive abuse of opiates in this country.
LOL way to deliberately obfuscate the point.

1 days is absolutely normal.

3 days is a medical emergency.

In what fucking world is 1 an interpretation of "a few"?
 

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With the amount of coffee consumed in this country im calling bullshit on any sort of meaningful percentage of the population that doesnt shit every single morning at precisely the same time.
I thought it was bullshit too. Then I started reading statistics about it. Its fucking crazy what people accept as "normal" just cause it happened a few times in a row. "Oh, that must be normal for me!"
 

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Of course, but find a chart of the average muscle muscle mass by age. What % of men have the same muscle mass at 25 and 50? That its technically possible doesn't mean it's practically applicable. The general statement "your metabolic rate decreases as you age" is going to hold true for the vast majority of people. "You can improve your metabolism with resistance training" is a much more useful way to look at it.
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I would speculate it takes A LOT of effort to put on muscle mass at that later age, versus your 20s. I know for me its been a lot of work and taken over 2 years of exercising to do it. Not sure if its the same for everyone, but it probably would be.
 
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The more I explain, the less I am believed or appreciated, so yes, but the original context for that statement was a range of approx 1500-2000 calories. My endo said that due to combination of genetics, activity, and meds, that can sometimes be the case; it wasn't necessarily fair.

I provided all of that detail for context as to why my experience was such an outlier. My calories counts, while approximate, are generally ballpark because I have to estimate how much insulin I need to take: It's something every T1d diabetic does as a matter of course as a matter of survival. I get that the numbers in all respects are extreme; that is in part why I wanted to share them, because I was so thrilled about my results and turnaround.
I certainly won't ruffle any more feathers and appreciate all the great advice re: complications. It has indeed helped!
Insulin resistance can make weight loss slower, but insulin isn't some magical thing that gets to violate the laws of energy balance. So either you were completely inaccurate with your calorie tracking, you were still losing "fat" but retaining water (which would still lower your weight on a long enough timeline, but could take "weeks"), or you are 1 of 1 and should be studied by science for your biological makeup.
3 days is a medical emergency.
Any links to backup this wild claim, Doctor?

Medical journals, case studies, etc.?
 

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I would speculate it takes A LOT of effort to put on muscle mass at that later age, versus your 20s. I know for me its been a lot of work and taken over 2 years of exercising to do it. Not sure if its the same for everyone, but it probably would be.
Definitely is, which is why you have to work on not losing it in the first place rather than trying to build at 40-50+. Or use test/steroids, whichever.

The entire point is your metabolism does not slow down as you age, it slows down if you activity level and/or muscle mass decreases. These can follow with age, but they do not have to.
 

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Definitely is, which is why you have to work on not losing it in the first place rather than trying to build at 40-50+. Or use test/steroids, whichever.

The entire point is your metabolism does not slow down as you age, it slows down if you activity level and/or muscle mass decreases. These can follow with age, but they do not have to.
Man, I've got peers my age using gear and its scary. They either don't understand, or they don't care. I have no interest in that risk and I'm only doing this for myself and my wife.

I do think my metabolism is perfectly fine right now. I expect it to get better as I ramp up the cardio activity too.
 
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Man, I've got peers my age using gear and its scary. They either don't understand, or they don't care. I have no interest in that risk and I'm only doing this for myself and my wife.

I do think my metabolism is perfectly fine right now. I expect it to get better as I ramp up the cardio activity too.
I don't recommend steroids at all because it's not good for longevity if abused, and I intend to be around for a long time. But used responsibly and sparingly, like anything, it's probably ok if you're careful/managed by a doctor.

I don't think there's any health risks to TRT (actually the opposite) especially reasonable doses, but most people lump T in with gear no matter what you're actually doing with it.
 

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Keep in mind GLP-1s slow gastric emptying, so whats normal for someone on one of those is not the same.
 
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I don't recommend steroids at all because it's not good for longevity if abused, and I intend to be around for a long time. But used responsibly and sparingly, like anything, it's probably ok if you're careful/managed by a doctor.

I don't think there's any health risks to TRT (actually the opposite) especially reasonable doses, but most people lump T in with gear no matter what you're actually doing with it.
T is definitely a P.E.D. with the dosage levels some dudes use. A typical TRT dose is 100ml. I know guys doing 500-1000 in the same cycle. Its not sustainable. Then you add DBOL or something on top and you're rolling the dice.
 

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T is definitely a P.E.D. with the dosage levels some dudes use. A typical TRT dose is 100ml. I know guys doing 500-1000 in the same cycle. Its not sustainable. Then you add DBOL or something on top and you're rolling the dice.
Of course. It's not mL by the way it's mg. And TRT is more like 100-150-ish, over 200 is definitely supraphysiological and looking for problems. Adding steroids on top of it is certainly not extending your life.
 
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Of course. It's not mL by the way it's mg. And TRT is more like 100-150-ish, over 200 is definitely supraphysiological and looking for problems.
Right right right. I'm not well versed in those measurements.
 
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