Westworld

sneakyflute said:

She sees MiB's face in the present. She then runs to an open field. When she wakes up, she's alone, but the scene subtly shifts to a memory of her waking up to William. The reason this theory is so divisive is because they're seamlessly blending the time periods and it's difficult for many people to pick up on it.

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Ummm, not quite. Delores when with Billy shouldn't have woken up with a gun in her hand then. Yet she did.

sneakyflute said:

She sees MiB's face in the present. She then runs to an open field. When she wakes up, she's alone, but the scene subtly shifts to a memory of her waking up to William. The reason this theory is so divisive is because they're seamlessly blending the time periods and it's difficult for many people to pick up on it.

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They are still throwing out some pretty obvious hints about it, especially last night with MiB's reaction to the blonde who first greeted William, and Delores' point blank 'WHEN ARE WE????' question to William.

To me that pretty much seals the deal that all sorts of timeline fuckery is happening, especially concerning Delores, as it is mainly her around which the fuckery is occuring. Maeve's flashbacks are clearly flashbacks, while the way they are doing Delores/William is far more subtle.

H.A. Monkey said:

Ummm, not quite. Delores when with Billy shouldn't have woken up with a gun in her hand then. Yet she did.

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She wakes up with a gun in the present. The camera then pans to William who appears out of thin air as serene music starts playing. This is the kind of subtle transition I'm talking about. There's a few of these in the first 6 or 7 episodes.

sneakyflute said:

She wakes up with a gun in the present. The camera then pans to William who appears out of thin air as serene music starts playing. This is the kind of subtle transition I'm talking about. There's a few of these in the first 6 or 7 episodes.

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But yet, after we see Bill try to get Delores to shoot shit the first time around and she can't, she doesn't have the gun with her anymore. Then after she shoots that other host and flees with his gun, shouldn't Delores no longer have a gun when she's with Billy to go along with your two timeline bullshit? You would think so, but that's not the case. As evident by the holster she's now wearing whenever she's with Billy. Stop grasping at the two timelines.

H.A. Monkey said:

But yet, after we see Bill try to get Delores to shoot shit the first time around and she can't, she doesn't have the gun with her anymore. Then after she shoots that other host and flees with his gun, shouldn't Delores no longer have a gun when she's with Billy to go along with your two timeline bullshit? You would think so, but that's not the case. As evident by the holster she's now wearing whenever she's with Billy. Stop grasping at the two timelines.

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She doesn't have the gun and holster until after she meets El Lazo

H.A. Monkey said:

Show me exactly where it says that the old church timeline has been dug up. What I've seen indicates that everything Arnold had a hand in still exists. Unless it outright broke. A bunch of legacy hosts are still in commission. The entirety of their initially story was simply buried. Not destroyed.

Also you still didn't explain why Delores has a flashback to the Man in Black while in a supposedly early timeline. Her memory of the Man in Black encounter should be like 5 days max from current time. Yet the multiple timeline people are insisting Billy is MIB -30years. So how does Billy's Delores have a memory that is supposed to be from 30 years in the future? Simple. Billy is not the MIB and there is only one timeline.

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If William is the MIB, he's only been the MIB for a year at most, not 30 years like most people originally thought. So if William is the MIB, he hasn't been mistreating her for 30+ years, but more likely for a year, and probably only for several "vacations" at most. Also, it shows clearly in episode 2 that Ford is getting ready to dig up the town that was buried long ago. We then get the gigantic excavators that are digging everything up, and in this last episode we get corporate girl clearly stating that Ford has dug up (not is digging up, which is present tense, but has dug up, which is past tense) a town in the far end of the park.

With what we now know about the MIB, and how he discovered the maze, I'm guessing that he is raping/harming Dolores (and by the way, it's Dolores, not Delores) in the hopes of "awakening" her just like he did with Maeve. He's trying to evoke that same response in Dolores that Maeve evoked when trying to protect her daughter in the hopes of having her reach a state of self consciousness. Now, to what end I don't know, because we get clearly from the MIB that he doesn't want to leave the park again. So if he's trying to die in there, or live in there with Dolores or whatever his actual end goal is I don't know. But what we do know for sure is the following:
1. The maze isn't an actual place in the park.
2. The MIB hasn't known about the maze for 30 years, he's only known about it for a year.
3. There are definitely multiple timelines, and the one constant in all of the timelines is Dolores, whether it's with her interactions with William, the MIB, Ford, or Bernard, they can't possibly be all happening in the same timeline. It's obvious that the conversations with Bernard and Dolores were taking place in that secret basement, which Bernard didn't know existed until the last episode. So either there was an original Bernard who wasn't a host, or Bernard=Arnold, in which case, conversations between Bernard and Dolores were 30+ years ago, not the present.

I'm starting to think this is a single time line just Dolores is seeing things from previous time lines. With the techs conversation with Maeve about how her dreams are indistinguishable from reality. I think Dolores is roaming around by herself and everything with William are memories from her malfunctioning.

If you notice in the sweeping shots she is by herself and William randomly disappears.

Sumdain x said:

I'm starting to think this is a single time line just Dolores is seeing things from previous time lines. With the techs conversation with Maeve about how her dreams are indistinguishable from reality. I think Dolores is roaming around by herself and everything with William are memories from her malfunctioning.

If you notice in the sweeping shots she is by herself and William randomly disappears.

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Exactly. She is by herself, which would be the present timeline. The stuff when William is with her would then be in the past, which means William can't be in the present timeline, which is why he's more than likely the MIB.

Allow me to clear up some shit so people can (maybe) stop reinforcing each other's delusions.

Ford. Did. Not. Dig. Up. The. Town.

In episode 2 Ford talks with the boy and we see the buried church.

In episode 4 Ford has his talk with Teresa while having lunch, we see the big machines digging, and the hosts digging. Neither are digging up the town.

In episode 6 Ford walks into (I think) Pariah with some of his construction workers (handful of guys in the white coveralls). They tell him if he wants to extend the canyon, then the town has to go. He says no, just end the canyon just outside the town.

He may plan to unearth the town with the buried church, but we have seen zero evidence of that yet.

Faltigoth said:

They are still throwing out some pretty obvious hints about it, especially last night with MiB's reaction to the blonde who first greeted William, and Delores' point blank 'WHEN ARE WE????' question to William.

To me that pretty much seals the deal that all sorts of timeline fuckery is happening, especially concerning Delores, as it is mainly her around which the fuckery is occuring. Maeve's flashbacks are clearly flashbacks, while the way they are doing Delores/William is far more subtle.

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To Delores, everyday is Wednesday. When Billy and Delores come to the old town, she has a flashback to when it wasn't buried. And yet again, puts a gun to her head. The same gun from when she killed the other host. Even more evidence for the one timeline existence and not two. It's at this point she knows she remembers, but can't discern when it took place. She's knows that memories are of past events, which is why she asks "when are we". She's starting to realize she's been around for quite some time.


Can anyone who believes the two timeline theory explain this; the gun Delores used to kill the host use the same one your past Delores has and attempts to kill herself with. So how does past Delores go from no gun/unable to shot a gun with Billy, to having her own holster and gun with Billy just overnight? One timeline.

Yea and the MiBs conversation with Teddy really adds credence that he is William. Mentioning he was married 30 years prior and since his wife died he's gone all overkill on the park.

ZyyzYzzy said:

Except everything preceeding this in your post...

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Except not. We've seen the machines digging. Yet in episode 5 Fort visits the supposed unburied town that you say was uncovered in previous episodes. Ford says he has plans for that area, but never indicates those plans are to dig up the town.

It's all because of this bullshit two timeline idea do people think the town was dug up. It isn't dug up, it won't be dug up. The maze starts there in case you're wondering.

H.A. Monkey said:

Except not. We've seen the machines digging. Yet in episode 5 Fort visits the supposed unburied town that you say was uncovered in previous episodes. Ford says he has plans for that area, but never indicates those plans are to dig up the town.

It's all because of this bullshit two timeline idea do people think the town was dug up. It isn't dug up, it won't be dug up. The maze starts there in case you're wondering.

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Did your mother feed you paint chips when you were a child? There is no actual maze, it's not an actual place in the park. This was clearly proven in the last episode. Also, in the very last episode, corporate girl says that Ford has dug up a town at the edge of the park. She clearly states that. So yes, Ford has dug up the town, there are multiple timelines, and you are a colossal fuck wit.

ZyyzYzzy said:

The gun is a common, non-magical item that is essentially vendor trash. They drop a lot so isn't hard for her to get another.

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But for a host who isn't programmed to own or carry a gun, seems odd that MIB never got to experience her carrying a gun while you indicate it's no big deal. Hello this is fucking HBO, they ain't making those mistakes.

Also, the nerds actually provided something useful.

The robots remember perfectly so it is almost impossible to distinguish remembering from being.

etchazz said:

Did your mother feed you paint chips when you were a child? There is no actual maze, it's not an actual place in the park. This was clearly proven in the last episode. Also, in the very last episode, corporate girl says that Ford has dug up a town at the edge of the park. She clearly states that. So yes, Ford has dug up the town, there are multiple timelines, and you are a colossal fuck wit.

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How does 'a' town translate to 'that' town. You guys stretching facts quite thin.