pharmakos
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Westworld
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Haus
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Well that's often the problem when people who want to work in "their own vision" into a classic IP. They start off with the IP in the space which made it great, then each iterative step from there they move it further from what made it great until they're pumping out drivel and wondering why nobody is as enthralled as they were in season 1 ...
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The Morrigan
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Season 1 was about as great of a first season you'll ever see in a show. Highly polished. Shows like Star Trek TNG didn't find their footing till season 3. Meanwhile this show hit the gates sprinting, but had nothing after that first lap and totally faceplanted in the third season.
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Brad2770
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I’m kind of glad I only watched the first season and stopped. I really wanted it to be good, but as I waited for the second season to come out in full to binge, the responses here convinced me to go no further.
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OU Ariakas
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You hit the nail on the head; they wrote all these cool mysteries and subplots into the first season but never thought about the end of the story. This needed a writing team that had everyone's stories written for a 2 - 4 season show, executed on it, and then done all of the weird 'what if' stuff in the eventual successor shows that they would have been thrown money at to make.
Rabbit_Games
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I was really expecting this to turn into our generation's "Fantasy Island" with guest stars showing up and having shit resolved in the theme park. Ah, well.
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Rabbit_Games
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j00t
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Yeah, season 1 was great for water cooler conversation, but by the end of the season it was clear that the writers had a great sandbox but didn't really know what to do with it.
It feels like the reason things fell apart was because they left the park but no matter what happened it would have fallen apart because, again, the writers didn't really have any kind of clear end game.
There's like, some weird new age writers school ideology where they tell the students that without a good setting, no one will be interesting in your story, and to some degree that's true, but they put so much time and focus into creating something that will draw people in, but then have developed zero skill in actually retaining those people. It's like the school of clickbait
It feels like the reason things fell apart was because they left the park but no matter what happened it would have fallen apart because, again, the writers didn't really have any kind of clear end game.
There's like, some weird new age writers school ideology where they tell the students that without a good setting, no one will be interesting in your story, and to some degree that's true, but they put so much time and focus into creating something that will draw people in, but then have developed zero skill in actually retaining those people. It's like the school of clickbait
Cybsled
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I think the bigger problem is they focus less on an overall narrative arc beyond a single season. Now I can understand the pitfalls of that: If your story arc is too broad, and you don't get renewed, then there is no satisfying payoff for the fans. But unless you have some really strong groundwork, you'll just be sort of figuring it out as you go along. Sometimes that can work, but most times it gets messy.
pharmakos
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The rest is worth watching if you're out of other shit to watch. Just don't even look at it as being the same show.
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Izo
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The Creator Of HBO's Canceled Sci-Fi Masterpiece Still Hopes To Finish The Story
The fans deserve a season 5.
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jayrebb
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A little clickbait never hurt nobody.The Creator Of HBO's Canceled Sci-Fi Masterpiece Still Hopes To Finish The Story
The fans deserve a season 5.
Theorycrafting around the cancellation of the show is interesting.
It's removal and sale to Roku/Tubi streaming some believe had to do with the AI boys pulling some strings.
Not that HBO couldn't find good reasons to cancel it-- but Nolan was owed a 5th season at the time it was cancelled. Some believe it's depiction of AI as the big bad in the later season during OpenAI fundraising made it unpopular at HBO.
Whatever the case, Nolan has said in the past he will do a short manga or animated movie on his own for cheap to give WW it's ending if he can't get a streaming service interested again. He's been vocal that he is doing an ending to WW regardless of network interest and will release it for free if he has to.
Sheriff Cad
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Pluribus is going the same way. Same as Heroes, Umbrella Academy, Altered Carbon.
They have a really cool concept/sandbox/premise and just piss it away on generic character drama/vibe scenes.
Hollywood is pretty good at a lot of things but they absolutely suck fat monster dicks at writing.
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Gravel
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It's pretty wild how much I don't think we appreciated TV in the past. Or at least I didn't, and only do in retrospect. Probably has a lot to do with not even watching a lot of these shows until later (and some on this list I never did).
But take a year like 2011, where you had:
Breaking Bad season 4
Game of Thrones season 1
Shameless season 1
Walking Dead season 2
Homeland season 1
American Horror Story season 1
Spartacus season 2
Black Mirror season 1 (technically BBC, but still)
And speaking of BBC, it was still peak Top Gear for series 16 and 17
Notable mention is Mad Men had a year between seasons in 2011, but figured I'd mention it.
And comedies that year were even crazier. You could watch The Office (season 7 and 8), Parks and Rec (seasons 3 and 4), Community (seasons 2 and 3), 30 Rock (season 5), It's Always Sunny (season 7), Curb Your Enthusiasm (season 8, before the long hiatus), Entourage (even though it was the final season and on its dying breath), Workaholics (seasons 1 and 2) and Louie (season 2).
2012 was similarly pretty ridiculous.
But take a year like 2011, where you had:
Breaking Bad season 4
Game of Thrones season 1
Shameless season 1
Walking Dead season 2
Homeland season 1
American Horror Story season 1
Spartacus season 2
Black Mirror season 1 (technically BBC, but still)
And speaking of BBC, it was still peak Top Gear for series 16 and 17
Notable mention is Mad Men had a year between seasons in 2011, but figured I'd mention it.
And comedies that year were even crazier. You could watch The Office (season 7 and 8), Parks and Rec (seasons 3 and 4), Community (seasons 2 and 3), 30 Rock (season 5), It's Always Sunny (season 7), Curb Your Enthusiasm (season 8, before the long hiatus), Entourage (even though it was the final season and on its dying breath), Workaholics (seasons 1 and 2) and Louie (season 2).
2012 was similarly pretty ridiculous.
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Xarpolis
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Maybe if it gets a 5th season, they'll release it on 4k bluray with a steelbook, then also release season 4 with a steelbook. I have 1-3 steelbooks already, but 4 was just standard. Am disappoint.
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