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Most items through Luclin didn't have level requirements on them. I remember killing Vindi with a single group to get someone's level 20 paladin twink a BP. However, some items did have restrictions on them. Kunark Items, as an example, had clicky effects on all of the pieces. You could equip the armor at level 1 but needed to be level 36 (I think) to use that clicky. Planar gear (including POP stuff) didn't have level requirements on them per say but had effective item levels based on not being able to enter a planar zone until you were a certain level.

The Earring of the Solstice was the first item they added that had stats which scaled based on your level and capped at level 50 or 60. Originally the earring was static but the stats were much weaker than the end product (no Flowing Thought as an example). Then they changed it to a Druid only earring with a clickable port to Dreadlands. My Cleric was wearing the earring when the change went through and the click didn't work but being Druid Only I knew that as soon as I died I wouldn't be able to reequip it. I wrote their support team and explained how a number of people did the quest (it was billed as a tradeskill quest and not a druid quest) and got screwed when it went Druid Only. I also posted on a couple of sites back then and forwarded the letter to a couple of sites where I knew devs hung out (The Druid's Grove was a big one). Not even 4 hours later the earring got changed to the one that everyone could where with FT1. I'm not sure that my campaign was what got the earring changed but I strongly suspect it was an influence.

Basically VI and Sony just took the approach that if they made an item No-Drop that most people wouldn't go through the trouble of getting an item for a twink. I don't really remember a level requirement to enter the Temple of Veeshan (for example) so I don't think there was anything to really stop a group from twinking someone with those drops beyond the sheer difficulty of getting a low level twink into the zone. I could be wrong though about the number of zones that were level locked. I basically remember the only level locked zones were the planes.
Tov was 46 too I think? Pretty much all the loot was droppable up til Luclin aisde from stuff that dropped off bosses other than Vox/Nag(even then there was still some droppable raid loot; bags, AoN, Trak BPs, SoDs). PoP didnt have much in terms of droppable loot, was all quest related.
 
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People used to get sincerely angry at twinks in EQ. I remember a crowd harassing this dude who was sitting outside Crushbone decked out in a bloodstained tunic and SSB
truth. I posted a while back about receiving a full suit of Bronze from a passer-by for free as a noob. Being geared at lvl 3 or 4 or 5 whatever was like a kiss of death in finding a group... completely illogical.

How times have changed...
 

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People used to get sincerely angry at twinks in EQ. I remember a crowd harassing this dude who was sitting outside Crushbone decked out in a bloodstained tunic and SSB.
On Bristlebane we had Whitemoon and Whitesun, two high elf chicks. They were the "girlfriends" of these two wizards who were part of one of the first perma-groups to level to 50 in Vanilla... Icewalker and Trafalgar I think their names were, and they followed these guys and their group everywhere. The rumor was that they claimed to be twin sisters and sent these guys nude pics in exchange for gear, but whatever, we all know that isn't true. Anyways, they never made it past level 35 but were in full rubicite and had the best gear you could get. They would always shout what they were selling in whatever zone they were in, never using /auction and never just in EC which is where our bazaar was back then. People shit on themconstantly.It was pretty funny... I remember they always ended their shouts with, "Love to you all!!!" and everyone just told them to shut the fuck up because no one in Oasis grinding crocs at level 12 could afford a 35k Manastone.

Personally I can't believe the other guys in their group put up with them. I went down to Frenzy where they were camped and these two chicks were just sitting around giggle emoting.
 

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I was on Bristlebane and I know Whitemoon and Whitesun! My friend was good friends with them, and they helped him get a manastone in the early weeks after release! They were Asian so there is some lost in translation stuff happening and often the "Love to you all" type things are a none English speaker trying to be friendly and well... loving. There were a lot of people like that back then, and I think they were mostly loved by the server. Some were genuine roleplayers, there were lots of people who were just quirky characters, and there were lots of foreign players too. The server never really lulled, because when the North Americans were going to sleep, the Euros were taking over, and when they went to sleep the Eastern Euro / Asia / Aussies/Kiwis all took over. And by the time they started sleeping the NA's were back again. Even in '99 it was a genuinely international experience and felt very hip at the time unlike modern games which just don't tend to be spread so evenly and so wide.

Anyway, from my memory, people generally liked the fun and quirky characters. Also, the thing about twinks was the opposite from what I saw. Maybe there was some stigma early on, but by the time I got around to twinking (mid Kunark), there were lots of twinks all over the place, and people loved having you in the group because you could carry the whole thing. I remember a friend who made a Ranger twink and he could tank any low level group pretty easily, and his dps was so insane that any mob would die in a few seconds anyway.

And not just the gear, but buffs were not restricted either. So you could use a level 50 buff on a level 1 character and basically instantly give them like 5 times the HP and AC. Add a haste buff or KEI or something and it made low level characters many times better than they should be. It was fun. The only negative was when someone whooped a whole zone and left nothing for the other players, but most people had some etiquette about that type of thing.

Also personally I thought it was a real bonus for the game, because it took so long to level up. Doing it once, fair enough, but the classes were just not balanced all that well or... even. So if you ended up 40+ and decided that you just don't like your class, it's too boring, it can't get groups, it can't solo, or whatever it is that you don't like, your only option was to start all over again. And that could mean not being able to play with all your buddies. So twinking was great in those situations because if you put in the effort to twink well, combined with all your knowledge from doing things the first time around, you could level up your second character in a couple of months instead of a year. I wouldn't have liked it any other way!

The "what made EQ great" thing is strange though when you think about it, because where do you begin. There were so many interesting and fun things about how that game worked, and they were never seen again!
 

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Fuck it I'm gonna just blog here
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This one time in EverQuest: I had a nice item that I used but I really needed the money and someone offered to buy it. I travelled to meet them by the bank and we sat face to face and arranged the price. I then clicked it on him to trade and the trade window appeared, but he cancelled the trade, and because my bags were full (And it didn't auto re-equip), the item dropped to the floor! And then a second later vanished. And the guy mysteriously disappeared. So obviously, he just pinched it. For the first time I went on to the games forums and I think just asked if they could check the logs and see what happened to it or whatever. I don't think SOE even replied. But anyway, a few days later I was hunting and this high level guy shows up and hands me the same type of item and just gives it me for free. He said he saw my post and felt bad for me and he had farmed a few of them in the past, so just gave it to me. Again... you don't see shit like that any more.


This other time in EQ, I made my way to a good exp camp. There was another guy there before me but he was having a hard time so we paired up and it was smooth sailing. After a while, this little fuckwit guy shows up who was 4 levels higher than us. We asked if he would like to join but he was a baddy. He was extremely rude to us for no reason, and he had a spell that did the most damage so every time we would fight a mob, he would just nuke the mob and kill steal it. He did it on every mob so we were no longer getting any exp. We tried for ages but he was winning every mob so his luls ruined that afternoon for both me and that other guy I was grouped with. In the end we just gave up, asshole won. But like 2 YEARS later... I see the same guy! He was in EC asking in chat for someone to rez his corpse in Warsliks Wood which is miles from nowhere. Nobody was replying and I was on my Cleric, so, time for some payback. He barely made 5 levels in those 2 years so obviously hasn't played much, but I remembered him clearly, little dick needed some comeuppance. I started by asking him to come to me and kept giving him vague directions to where I was. He would run somewhere and say, "I cant c u" and I would say, "No not there, I'm by the big curly tree". Eventually he found me and I asked him for a port to Kunark, he was a Necro. I could tell he was getting pissed off but he was still trying hard to be nice because I was his only chance at a rez. So I used my hammer to port myself to OT and I asked him to meet me in OT to help direct me to the corpse. He really didn't want to but eventually got a port and ran all the way to OT. I gave him the same thing, "come and meet me i am by some kind of weird bush". He obviously didn't know how the /loc thing worked because he kept asking me to describe the bush. Eventually he found me and we set off together to Warsliks Wood, only... WTF why u moving so slow?! I set myself to walk and told him I was encumbered with fine steel weapons. So we walked slooowly for like 15 minutes to the zone line. Then in to WW, we had to wander through the forest for him to hopefully remember the way back to his corpse, and we kept getting attacked. I kept asking him, "wot button is to uze heal magiks?!" and he was freaking the fuck out trying to get me to heal him but while desperately trying to remain nice. I kept just doing little quick heals when he was on about 1hp. He must have had about 5 heart attacks. After ages we finally found his corpse and I told him I didn't know what spell would rez the corpse. I kept casting different stuff on his corpse like nukes and invis and buffs and stuff. He was sending tells to people to ask them what the name of the spell was and I was being super dopey trying to find it in my book. I reckon I probably wasted about 2 hours of his time. And then I said, "ahh I found it! Resurrection" and he seemed so relieved. Then I reminded him of the time he KS'ed me and that other guy like 2 years earlier, and then I hit /q. Fuck him.

This other time in EQ: I was in a group and died. They were going to rez me after the cleric had medded up and stuff, so in the meantime I was just wandering around naked in the forest. And then out steps... Firiona Vie. She came over to me and started chatting to me, full roleplay. I was super baked at the time and had never really roleplayed, but I chatted to her as best as I could, called her Milady and stuff. She was really nice and comforted me for my death etc.. Very sweet and surreal. As I was about to get rezzed she waved to me and headed towards Felwithe.
I also some some real GM events but that one wasn't even an event. When I got back to my group I told them and none of them believed me.



This one time, in Everquest: I once joined a guild and it was a really good 'family' style guild which you just don't get anymore. The guild leaders was a husband and wife who met in EQ and later got married. They were both Dutch or czech or polish or something..., and both of them barely knew a word of English when they started playing EQ in 1999. But within a year or so, they had learned English almost entirely from playing the game. The guy in particular, his English was really good, you could barely even tell it wasn't his first language. They also went with SK and Cleric so they were the tank and healer for anything that needed doing, making it easy to get groups together. They recruited people and we built up really organically and eventually started raiding and uber people from other guilds would even come along with us just to help us! They didn't see us as competition or anything, they just liked to play through the older raid content and help us progress. It was really fun times. There was also an american girl in the guild who I had the hots for. She was actually a 30 something year old woman with 1 kid who was divorced and she sounded hot from her description
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She was also very sweet. But it was such a fun time and we all chatted as much as we actually played. I just don't see that anymore in games and guilds.
 

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Yeah, I started on Bristlebane too. I was kinda a dick back then, but, weren't all teenagers? Anywho I leveled up with my buddy who played a Wizard, as I played a Druid. His character name was Terlana and mine was Roary. We'd go out and kill guards all of the time. Well he started to chat it up with this enchanter, and he played it like he was a girl IRL. So this enchanter was a lesbian and I guess had the hots for him/her. Well anyways, I go off and do my solo thing, while my buddy gets into raiding with the guild before Fu became Fu. I ended up doing some raiding eventually as well. I can't remember the name of it but it started with an S or something, I was always drunk back then.

Well anyways, I was working on my druid epic during Kunark and had solo'ed most of it. The next thing I needed to do was kill Faydawer and then I'd have it basicly. So I was sitting at his spawn point, waiting and waiting. Well he spawns. So I get on the horn to the rest of the guild to get them to come over, and some other twat from another guild shows up as I'm trying to get the raid force over there to kill it. He calls his buddies over as well. They get there first, with most of my guildmates coming along in short order. They start it. In a few minutes the rest of my guild got there. They wipe, so I'm thinking that were going to start it next. Nope.. the other guild was a bit higher on the political scale so my guild leader pussies out and lets them start it. He wasn't the one who camped that spawn for a day and a half, without logging off. Well I don't exactly remember what happend next, but I know we both were fighting over the spawn and our guild ended up putting out more damage so we got the orb. Later that day, the forums get a bit of drama on them like everything, and within a week, no one cared. I got a couple more when I was on Mith Marr fighting over shitty planes mobs and PoP bosses, but thats for another day.
 

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Your gay friend acted like a girl so he could lez it up with a mangina. Cool story bro.
 

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I don't pretend to understand why he did what he did. He's a mostly functioning retard and changed his name to a Sailor Moon character so theres that I guess.
 

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Faydawer drama...
So I started as a Druid on Povar and basically ninja-looted the water item off Faydawer and became 1st druid on Povar to complete epic.

What happened was the Faydawer mob was spawned for a GM event in that Lake of Ill Omen zone. There were a lot of people involved and when it died someone was on the corpse, I believe a Triton group got the credit, they didn't know what the item was for, nobody did really at that time but The Druids Grove had been talking about it making sense for Druid Epic. At this time the epic had yet to be completed. Anyway, Triton didn't have any Druids in the zone at the time and I was spam-clicking the corpse and eventually was able to loot it. While staring down the item I did feel bad but tbh we didn't have many high-level druids, might have been 1 in the zone from another guild, I'm not sure. I didn't feel THAT bad about looting it but I never ninja'd shit and just felt guilty doing it lol. But as many should know, GM events were total clusterfucks anyway with practically no order. I did converse with the Triton group and notify them I'd be looting it, but only because I was friends with most of them. They didn't really give a shit.

My guild was the only one doing Venril Sathir at the time, too, so it made sense to me that I got it since I'd be able to complete it soonest anyway.
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There was a Triton druid that later found out about it and was a little jealous/mad that I never had to camp for Faydawer, he/she was the 2nd to get epic on Povar. I helped her/him kill Fay cause I felt bad.

There really wasn't any drama though since nobody even knew what it was for at the time and Druid epics weren't a high priority for guilds anyway ha. Eventually I parked the Druid and made a Monk anyway.
 

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I remember one Saturday when my guild leader decided to have everyone camp Emerald Jungle because he "felt" like that green dragon (Sev something or other) was due and he wanted to finish his Warrior epic. Killing light blue mobs for a couple hours sucked and eventually I had an "emergency" and had to log off. I found out later that my guild was there for about 12 hours and the dragon never spawned. I jumped ship from that guild not to long afterwards due to retarded and selfish guild leadership.
 

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That kind of shit happened all the time in my guild. Raids for the night would be called to wait around for god knows what. Peer pressure to be a good soldier and just sit on your thumb for hours on end. Then maybe, the natives might get restless. People would start to make up things like, "Wish I could stay, but I have to pick up my dog from the vet!" Sometimes loggers would get caught on alt's and ohhhhh, the shame let me tell you (fucking stupid, right?). Officers would black-ball them from loot for a month or two.

That is the part of EQ, which is not a fond memory. Shitty guild leadership would just make things up when raid targets were down. They felt like they had to occupy the guild with mundane shit, or else they might start looking to jump ship to other guilds. And then the outright abuse of using the guild's man-power for selfish shit, or stealing and selling guild items on ebay. More often than not, absolute power corrupted absolutely.
 

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Quillimane, Raster and Pyzjin, too. Speaking of which, on Vallon Zek, I managed to get Quillimane on my bard before a mage who'd been in SK for 2 days straight could get to him.

Pegasus FEather Cloak. Worth it.
 

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Raster was easy for me, despite him being the more infamous of the two. maybe 18 hours of camping. Was more like 70+ for Targin.
 

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I feel like I played EQ for a very long time (~5 years), and I ended up leaving during Omens of War, the 8th Expansion. I was in the same guild for approximately 4 years. Now EQ is going on its 20th expansion and there are guilds like Triality that have lasted 11 years. That's insane. According to that Triality history, they formed when most other guilds were starting to dissolve (end of PoP). I was already playing EQ for 3 years by the time this guild formed. The history of EQ can be baffling.

The guy mentions Triality's golden years being from 2006-2008. Most people on this forum probably think EQ's golden years were between 1999-2000. I enjoyed the game through PoP (1999-2002).

The fact EQ has created so many memorable moments throughout the past decade for tons of players is astonishing.