RS3 is automatic only. Beemers still come in manual. I used to own Beemers but I absolutely hate the fit and finish on their interiors. I drove manuals all my life, and my new S5 came in automatic only. I goddamn hate the transmission.
what can you do with a manual transmission which a modern automatic one doesn't allow or do better?
nada
automatic is faster, gets better economy, and is easier to sell due to higher demand
this quote sums it up nicely:
Interestingly, the American car market has often expressed more interest in manual performance cars than Europe in recent years. When that first TT RS came to the U.S., as a 2012 model, it was offered only with a manual transmission due to buyer demand. But Audi product planner Anthony Garbis says that interest doesn’t always translate into sales: shoppers tell Audi that they want manual cars, “but then they buy S Tronic anyway.”
Spoken like someone who has never driven a manual. If you had, you'd know it has nothing to do with speed or fuel economy and everything to do with control.
Spoken like someone who has never driven a manual. If you had, you'd know it has nothing to do with speed or fuel economy and everything to do with control.
i'm a euro, my first 20 years were spent driving manual because that is the euro-market
there is nothing a manual offers which a modern automatic transmission doesn't
you seem to be one of those people that think letting the clutch slip is a form of control, why don't you define that more closely
the paddle system which various premium brands offer is directly derived from F1 cars, lol control
As someone who used to exclusively buy manuals, I'm convinced anyone who says something like this has never driven a modern car with a good automatic. Nowadays an auto is faster and more efficient than a manual, sometimes dramatically better in both categories. Are there still slush boxes out there? Sure, but they're basically relegated to economy cars.
Drive a car with a transmission by ZF (BMW, Audi, maybe some Cadillacs, not sure who else) and try to tell me what advantage a manual offers in terms of "control". These transmissions will shift dramatically faster than you can and in manual mode they won't shift for you no matter what, they'll let you redline until you grenade your engine if that's what you want (although modern cars, manuals included, will probably cut your fuel well before that happens). You'll probably have more control over what gear you're in since you can shift so much faster, there's a good reason why all race cars other than Nascar (which is like going back in time) have long since abandoned the manual.
Again, you can absolutely find a shit auto. Probably 90% of rental cars are shit autos (or worse, CVT). Drive a good auto, though, and you'll forget about manuals like I did.
It's not even debatable man. If having a manual and a clutch wasn't a "form of control", then a manual wouldn't leave an auto in the dust when trying to escape a snow bank. Manual is more than changing gears a la "paddles", it's being able to play with the clutch to get varying degrees of grip/torque. You just can't do that with an auto or paddles.
i'm a euro, my first 20 years were spent driving manual because that is the euro-market
there is nothing a manual offers which a modern automatic transmission doesn't
you seem to be one of those people that think letting the clutch slip is a form of control, why don't you define that more closely
the paddle system which various premium brands offer is directly derived from F1 cars, lol control
your manual won't do shit for you which i can't do on my automatic
it also won't allow me to wreck the clutch by letting it slip, which you are using as a reason to promote manuals
pro tip: that is bad driving and you aren't supposed to do that, snow or no snow
Wow, good thing me and half of Canada managed to not to destroy our clutches while maneuvering in snow all those years. Try navigating out of a slippery turn with an auto vs a manual as well.
It's a thousand times more fun to drive than an auto as well (at least outside of traffic). Simply being able to FEEL the engine through the shifter imho makes it worth it alone.
Living in the Alp, I've always felt like the automatics were not made for the mountain. Never at the right gear at the right time, etc. Even going sequential made things clumsy and not as smooth as a clutch would've made.
Now the latest car I drove is from 2016 and it's much better.
this isn't up for debate
"playing with the clutch" as you describe it is terrible for your car, i don't care if you and the rest of the ignorant folks do it, its bad from a technical perspective and doesn't bring any benefits correct driving doesn't
i'm sure you can google 'letting clutch slip" and inform yourself on how it actually works
you don't know squat about how cars work though, that much is clear
I have a ZF transmission in my 2018 S5. It's crap, and there are entire threads on the audi forums bitching about the poor throttle response. Again, it's not about shifting speed or efficiency, it's about control and feeling more connected to the car.
A few tesla here and there but mainly gas & diesel.Do people drive electrical vehicles there? AWD electrical would seem practical, but battery life and all that make it seem unlikely.
Bad throttle response isn't going to be corrected by using a slower transmission. If your S5 has poor throttle response, it's due to bad tuning by Audi. I have an S7 and my throttle response is just fine, it would not surprise me if Audi didn't take their time tuning the engine correctly on the S5
yeah fuck those "automotive enthusiasts", they obviously don't know what the fuck they're talking about (being enthusiasts and all) and are obviously enthusiastic because the purpose is to destroy the clutch rather than give occasional control when needed.