Wildstar Launch Thread - Server: Stormtalon | Faction: Dominion
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Bondurant
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xzi
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I really enjoyed how EVE handled subscriptions, I'm excited to see another game try it out. Maybe I'll get lucky off of some sort of auction house early on and make obnoxious amounts of money. Aww yis.
I'm glad they pushed the release back, I was getting a bit worried they were still trying to launch this year.
I'm glad they pushed the release back, I was getting a bit worried they were still trying to launch this year.
The game they have at the moment is not worth a monthly sub. It is essentially a more wow-ified GW2, with worse combat. Now it has the gw2 gemstore too, awesome. Can't wait to throw down $60 + a sub to get a similar experience to GW2. Sad to say this shit is going to crash and burn
zzeris
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I have to agree with this. So far, it's a variant of WoW at a time when B2P and F2P are both extremely popular. We'll see how FF14 does with a similar model but this will probably end up being a 6 month guilty pleasure until TESO or EQN hit late in '14. WoW wasn't an 800 lb gorilla early and this is much less of an innovation or improvement on the current market than that was. Could be wrong though(but they would have to show a lot more)
spronk
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yeah sub games are pretty much a done deal for me, I'm no longer interested in playing a game for 2-3 months then being forever locked out of my stuff until I fork over a sub fee. f2p and b2p is just so much friendlier to random gaming time. Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Pokemon, etc are exceptions because of a lot of nostalgia but a goofy looking space-wow clone doesn't fit that itch.
You 100% know wildstar will convert to f2p a few months down the line, this is just a money grab at the people who will pay anything to play a new MMO.
You 100% know wildstar will convert to f2p a few months down the line, this is just a money grab at the people who will pay anything to play a new MMO.
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Im on the opposite side of the fence when it comes to f2p or b2p. Im actually starting to hate both of those models and how they nickle and dime everything and just cheapen the entire game experience, of course some are worse than others, but in the end its just a ploy of a shitty game to stay profitable. If a game is worth playing its worth paying for. All that F2P or B2P tells me is that the game is just not good enough to garner a normal sub. And usually this is true.
zzeris
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I would probably agree if I saw anything that was new and innovative enough to be worth that monthly investment. Maybe EQN if they get everything they promise but how likely is that? This game is nowhere near the improvement in the genre for me to award them more than initial buying price. Also, Spronk hit it exactly about getting back into a game after some time off. The game wasn't good enough to keep me on the hook so why would I pay a fee to see if they MAYBE improved it?
I'm just guessing but I think they'd be crazy not to implement a system that lets players that have subbed in the past come back and get a few free days trial every few months. It's the only way to compete with the F2P game's drop in drop out with no requirements ability.
Mr Creed
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Didnt that link on the last page specifically say they do not have a "gem store" except for "plex"? I'm not bothered by a plex system personally but judging from other threads here that's P2W to a good portion of people, too.
I'm surprisingly torn on the news about their revenue model. I'm really dissapointed about how GW2 handled the first year, and I would have prefered paying a sub and getting the gem store stuff through gameplay, simply because it would have been new gameplay in an otherwise goal-less game. Thing is, that assumes the sub money actually goes back into the game, and I guess I am too bitter about MMOs to just believe that. Instead my base assupmtion is they'll do the minimum effort required* to be able to emphasize their constant updates for PR but that's it, the rest goes into the drugs&hookers box. They even compare to GW2's "awesome" bi-weekly patches (both NCsoft, nice "product placement") and say they only do them monthly... but monthly patches of the kind GW2 puts out aint worth $15 a month.
*remember how WoW did a flurry of small content additions right after MoP while GW2 was still kinda new? It only slowed down after GW2 settled into it's place in the market.
zzeris
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True, but it really depends on how long you've been gone and how flexible that free weekend is. Blizzard are experts at giving just enough new stuff to get an extra 90 day sub. It's really not worth it but it seems like it the first few times. I also don't like the feeling that I have to spend a certain amount of time to get value out of those type games. Treadmills don't work as well if you only use them 5 minutes a month.
Mr Creed
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You dont pay through the nose for bandwidth anymore, there is a ton of games worth playing that do not require you to keep forking over money, and MMOs are not special unique snowflakes that get an exception. I have more faith in a sub game then a B/F2P because a game with a sub is encouraged to provide enough monthy entertainment to justify the monthly expense. But most dont live up to my expectations in that regard. I'm willing to pay if what they deliver truly IS worth paying for, like you say, but can you name an MMO that's delivers $15 worth of content a month beyond what you already paid for through the box/expansion/subsofthelast6months? That said Wildstar claims monthly "beefy" updates so maybe this is the one that delivers on that promise.
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They sure as hell won't deliver on that promise, just like every other MMO developer, ever. As much as i'm annoyed by DLC in single player games, for 15 dollars you could get the Omega DLC for Mass Effect 3.
I don't think i've ever seen a monthly MMO update that could compare to that, or any single player DLC for that matter.
I don't think i've ever seen a monthly MMO update that could compare to that, or any single player DLC for that matter.
Glad to see that they're delaying. The game obviously isn't ready yet.
I'm okay with a sub model, as long as it keeps the bullshit out.
I still don't see why they don't have one server for people that want subs, and one free to play server that uses the cash shop? Hit all of those markets.
I'm okay with a sub model, as long as it keeps the bullshit out.
I still don't see why they don't have one server for people that want subs, and one free to play server that uses the cash shop? Hit all of those markets.
xzi
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It's very possible to release monthly content and have it be decent. Engines and tools have come a very long way over the last few years. I don't think they're going to release raids every month, but we don't know how their systems are set up. I certainly don't think in the first year they'll be doing extra monthly content releases though.
In their defence they did imply they have built it from the ground up to be able to quickly create content..Most likely PR spin. I also believe with the there being so many F2P games out there now I think Carbine are smart enough to know unless they really do release A LOT of content each month they will be crucified by the MMO community. With so many options now unless you justify the sub you will simply lose players. Surely Carbine know this.
Bondurant
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So theirhybrid modelactually stands as "pay a subcription and buy legit golds ingame to pay someone else subscription." I guess NCSoft finally took the steering wheel and drives on its own now. About the Spring 2014 window, it's the same window for Elder Scrolls Online and potentially upcoming WoW xpack. Welp.
xzi
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It's pushed back because the game isn't finished in their eyes, which I believe considering there has not been large scale raid or PvP testing to my knowledge. Not because they want to compete with other games. (Also why the fuck would you want to release around the same time other AAA studios launch theirs?)