Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
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Goatface
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comics were still seen as nerd shit. How many 18-35 year old chicks knew who Wolverine was back then? they were certainly never a measurable demo of all of the comics shops i went to back then. spent almost the entire 90's on college campuses and even there was rare to see X merch. would even think punisher would have ranked higher with normies back then.
not saying cap or punisher out sold wolverine/x comics, but as brand names they were much better known across the board.
also no other hero is on Spiderman's level, he is worldwide god tier money maker.
not saying cap or punisher out sold wolverine/x comics, but as brand names they were much better known across the board.
also no other hero is on Spiderman's level, he is worldwide god tier money maker.
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Sterling
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That's why the MCU succeeded. But it wouldn't exist at all if there weren't successful comic book movies before then.
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Nester
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Everyone collected Wolverine, Only like one dude I knew collected Cap.
Cap was as lame as Iron man in the 80/90s - Was not even cap. Was US AGENT lol
Punisher was more popular than CAP imo.
Xmen were everything in the 90s
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Harshaw
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As far as Marvel itself is concerned. Blade really is what led to the MCU. It was the first successful Marvel movie. I mean that as in not made by Fox or Sony.
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Sterling
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I'm sure we'd have had Marvel comic movies, but I also don't think it would necessarily be 2 quarter billion dolllar movies a year.
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What I mean is that Blade basically saved Marvel and superhero movies. The Superhero genre was basically dead at the time and Marvel was in a bad way. Blade doing so well led to Marvel raking in cash by licensing out their most popular properties. Which in turn led to them turning to Iron Man, who wasn't really that famous a character, and look where we are now? I can't even imagine what an MCU would have looked like if Marvel had all their shit at the beginning. You know they would have done X-Men before they did Avengers.
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Yeah, but I think they got real lucky too. RDJ, Hemsworth, and Evans just worked out pretty much perfectly. Between those 3 and Hiddleston everything just lined up perfect, not sure that all happens if they start with XMen.
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Harshaw
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That's because Sarah Finn is a treasure and she deserves a lot of credit. Her casting director job should be as secure as Feige's job.
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But even Thor, it was all Hemsworth. I'm not arguing, but really Thor 1 was kinda weak, and Thor in Avengers 1 was kinda weak. He had to develop into more of a comedy relief character than a "no bullshit" character.
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Chukzombi
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pretty much this. Ed Norton Hulk was right after Iron Man and it didnt make much impact. Hemsworth wasnt so great as a straight man. Evans didnt really knock it out of the park either in cap1. those movies were OK. it was RDJ who carried this series until we had Avengers 1. there is a reason why RDJ had multiple money trucks backing up to his house. RDJ was the MCU and with him gone its going to be tough to inspire the next phase to be better than OK.
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Comics were pretty much nerd territory for me and my friends growing up but we sure as shit watched Super Friends every Saturday morning. That, combined with the Reeves Supes, reruns of the 60s Batman, and eventually the Keaton Batman films meant we all knew a ton more about the DC universe than any Marvel stuff. It wasn't until I got to college that my roommate hooked me on X-Men and some Silver Surfer. When Liefield started Image I switched to those. Other than the song I couldn't have told you anything about IM much less any of the other non X-Men characters.
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Ironman was the "leader" of the Avengers, but he was a drunk fuck up, otherwise he was effectively a more badass Batman, so all my friends loved his antics being on a more mature/real level - not just "my parents are deaaad". Plus him and Strange had some great interaction over leadership. Especially when Strange would go into these issue long meditations and Tony'd be like, "The fuck are you doing, the ten rings are fucking up America!" But that was probably just in my circle of friends.
As far as popularity, I would say Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine. Then everyone else.
My dad and his brothers watched the shit out of Adam West Batman. Beating the shit out of each other during the intro sequence.
1989 made comic books "cool". Guess what movie released that year. That's right. Fucking Batman.
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The ONLY A tier heros marvel had were Spiderman and X-Men (And that was mostly only because of Wolverine)
Everything else was b tier and below.
DC had a slew of A tier character.
And the Justice league was way more known than the Avengers were, not even close. Now it's pretty much the opposite, DC is effectively killing off their heros.
Everything else was b tier and below.
DC had a slew of A tier character.
And the Justice league was way more known than the Avengers were, not even close. Now it's pretty much the opposite, DC is effectively killing off their heros.
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Chukzombi
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i am doubting she ends up directing WW3
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Reflecting on those early conversations with Warner Bros., Jenkins said: "They wanted to hire me like a beard; they wanted me to walk around on set as a woman, but it was their story and their vision. And my ideas? They didn’t even want to read my script. There was such mistrust of a different way of doing things and a different point of view."
"Even when I first joined ‘Wonder Woman’ it was like, ‘Uhh, yeah, OK, but let’s do it this other way.’ But I was like, ‘Women don’t want to see that. Her being harsh and tough and cutting people’s heads off. I’m a ‘Wonder Woman’ fan, that’s not what we’re looking for.’ Still, I could feel that shaky nervousness [on their part] of my point of view."
Adding that she believes the studio was "freaked out" by the female superhero movies that had failed in the past, Jenkins reveals that the project had been through so many iterations that there were at least 30 different screenplays written and considered over the years.
The filmmaker concludes by describing the situation as, "an internal war on every level about what ‘Wonder Woman’ should be."
WONDER WOMAN: Patty Jenkins Clashed With WB Over Vision For 2017 Movie And Diana Prince Cutting Off Heads
Wonder Woman 1984 director Patty Jenkins reveals early clashes with Warner Bros. over 2017's Wonder Woman, which included not wanting Diana to be depicted as being violent & cutting people's heads off.
Reflecting on those early conversations with Warner Bros., Jenkins said: "They wanted to hire me like a beard; they wanted me to walk around on set as a woman, but it was their story and their vision. And my ideas? They didn’t even want to read my script. There was such mistrust of a different way of doing things and a different point of view."
"Even when I first joined ‘Wonder Woman’ it was like, ‘Uhh, yeah, OK, but let’s do it this other way.’ But I was like, ‘Women don’t want to see that. Her being harsh and tough and cutting people’s heads off. I’m a ‘Wonder Woman’ fan, that’s not what we’re looking for.’ Still, I could feel that shaky nervousness [on their part] of my point of view."
Adding that she believes the studio was "freaked out" by the female superhero movies that had failed in the past, Jenkins reveals that the project had been through so many iterations that there were at least 30 different screenplays written and considered over the years.
The filmmaker concludes by describing the situation as, "an internal war on every level about what ‘Wonder Woman’ should be."
