World of Warcraft: Current Year

That's the case with this xpac, in that M+ gear made the heroic raid trivial and half the raid that liked pushing high keys just out geared it in short order. I remember spending 3 or 4 weeks on various end bosses in Legion and BFA. This time it was maybe a week and a half of serious tries, after clearing the rest of the zone.

Complaining about the heroic raid being too easy, then at the same time, complaining that it's taking too long to learn the last boss on heroic sounds a bit silly. No mater what difficulty you raid on, you are going to hit a boss that is just going to take a long time to master. In modern wow, stalling out on a boss is almost always a mechanics/skill problem, not a gear problem (unless you are bleeding edge paid to raid).

The heroic raid is easy to me and the dozen others who put in effort to press their buttons correctly. When we cut out the dead weight we down things. It's the next week when low skilled are given a chance again because no one wants hurty feelings which then allows them to dictate the rest of the players time until we cut them to finish up. That's being held hostage. The game isn't a job, but it ain't a charity and there are endless pugs to practice on outside of the raid nights if you're suffering from mechanical issues. If you make me waste 6 hours a week instead of 2 you're literally thieving my precious free time and that shit isn't cool to do to anyone. We run off night raids to bring any warm bodies that want to come and that's where the baddies should stick for funsies and carries and off topic discord chats that no one gives a shit about. It's just the product of being in half casual/half serious guilds that I always end up in due to friends. =O

That's the way raiding has always been. It doesn't matter what level your guild is. Normal, Heroic, whatever. There are always the bads that literally waste everyone else's time. And the "I'm just here to have fun" bads mostly don't seem to realize wiping and failing over and over isn't fun.

I guess yall are some impatient people, or just played with some really bad players.

There is a limit to how bad a player I can stand, but its defiantly expanded over the years. I don't mind 10% to 20% more wipes on the last boss or two so we can get there with the team that we have, that I mostly like, and constantly shows up VS. the people who constantly get all pissy, go off on asspy rages over small shit, or only want to show up and collect loot once everything is on farm.

If I wanted to be a dick and only raid with other dicks, I would go back to bleeding edge raiding.

Burns said:

I guess yall are some impatient people, or just played with some really bad players.

There is a limit to how bad a player I can stand, but its defiantly expanded over the years. I don't mind 10% to 20% more wipes on the last boss or two so we can get there with the team that we have, that I mostly like, and constantly shows up VS. the people who constantly get all pissy, go off on asspy rages over small shit, or only want to show up and collect loot once everything is on farm.

If I wanted to be a dick and only raid with other dicks, I would go back to bleeding edge raiding.

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You're lucky if the "bad" players in your guilds are only costing you 10-20% more wipes on the final bosses in a raid

You don't have to be a dick nor hardcore to want to play well and get shit done and that's always the dumbest argument to say otherwise.

The good players in my guild are typically the friendliest and most fun to play with cause they do their jerbs and manage to joke around and be chill.

Sure, everyone is fine and dandy when things are going well, but when your 100 wipes deep on a mythic raid boss, half the raid becomes real salty at every mistake and the dickishness starts (or so I hear from friend's modern mythic raiding experience).

In heroic raiding, making people sit, so you can kill a boss 10 wipes sooner, is being a dick (usually).

Again... you're vastly underestimating by saying sitting people only saves you 10 wipes...even in heroic.

Besides, if you have a roster big enough you can't bring everyone, why wouldn't you bring the best raid force?

Khane said:

Again... you're vastly underestimating by saying sitting people only saves you 10 wipes...even in heroic.

Besides, if you have a roster big enough you can't bring everyone, why wouldn't you bring the best raid force?

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True, I may be underestimating the numbers. I was trying to think back to Legion/BFA raids, and how much our worst 2 players, in a raid of ~15 were costing us, but I doubt it was more than 30% more wipes, due to them failing mechanics on the harder bosses (usually the last 2 or 3).

As for numbers, I can maybe recall a single raid which we combined with another guild's raid, that we got close to 30 people for a raid. Since flex raiding started its always been an issue of getting people to consistently show up, never really needed volunteers to sit due to 31+ people all wanting to raid. There were a few times were the makeup was an issue, such as going from 15 to 16 people made an extra soak mechanic show up, or just having too many dps, and not enough healers. In those cases, we usually had decent luck with pugs...unless we fucked up and invited a Brazilian server person.

BoozeCube said:

Gonna be a lot of tears, but fuck em. Either show up to work or get fucked. Woke employees are beyond garbage, and work from home failures are no better.

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People have been working from home since before the pandemic bullshit happened. I've worked from home since 2015 because fuck living in California.
I've seen entire teams gutted while remaining one of 3 people because I didn't ask for 'unlimited coffee' or some nonsense.

If you can't do your job without being around 20 unlikable nerdy idiots for 'morale purposes', you're weak and you won't survive the winter.

Id much rather work from home than have to deal with idiots in an office space. I dont need to have small talk with you all day about your dog or what you did over the weekend.

Article has clickbait title. No one cares about work from home type shit and it brings up that tired, beat to fuck dead horse of a discussion. Theyre trying to throw in some other temper tantrum shit faggot whiney fucks do at tech companies but you can see past that shit. Most of the outrage is coming from the fact that their bonus was slashed to only 58% of its predicted value. Now was that bonus part if their hiring pay plan and the company just decided to axe it? Or was it one of those "This is what we usually base our bonus off of each year, so we should get this!"

Daidraco said:

Article has clickbait title. No one cares about work from home type shit and it brings up that tired, beat to fuck dead horse of a discussion. Theyre trying to throw in some other temper tantrum shit faggot whiney fucks do at tech companies but you can see past that shit. Most of the outrage is coming from the fact that their bonus was slashed to only 58% of its predicted value. Now was that bonus part if their hiring pay plan and the company just decided to axe it? Or was it one of those "This is what we usually base our bonus off of each year, so we should get this!"

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One of the folks I've talked to... basically says all the Kotaku articles about unionizing and such are bunk and not many feel that way internally. Or they're overblown or made into a headline when it's just people trying to do their job.

Biggest thing I've learned in gaming/tech thus far is that your talent is in high demand and having a company like Blizzard, or some sort of major role (ie; lead <x>) on your resume means you can basically go anywhere.

Secrets said:

People have been working from home since before the pandemic bullshit happened. I've worked from home since 2015 because fuck living in California.
I've seen entire teams gutted while remaining one of 3 people because I didn't ask for 'unlimited coffee' or some nonsense.

If you can't do your job without being around 20 unlikable nerdy idiots for 'morale purposes', you're weak and you won't survive the winter.

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The thought that masterpieces like WoW, Diablo 2, StarCraft, etc., could be created by a bunch of remote people chatting over Slack or video conferencing via Zoom is insane.

I understand why people want to work remotely, but that doesn't mean they work better remotely. Especially at a game developer. We aren't talking about some generic job scheduling app or whatever.

Some people need that person to person contact, but I work 100% better remotely than I ever will locked in an office and there are a slew of productivity tools to keep big projects rolling in real time or however it needs to get done at any scale. It's 2023 not 2003 boomers. What do you think the game devs are doing that they need to sit in a room circle jerking and sucking each other off to write code and give direction?

8 years now at home and would never put up with any company telling me to come back in with the endless amount of jobs available to jump ship. Anyone still living that commute and water cooler life that can do their job online is a sucker.

The 'office culture' bullshit is a farce used to prop up the people who schmooze their way into success without doing any real work. The office provided them with a better theater to perform their nonsense pantomime in and they are worried that people have realized they serve no actual purpose when they can't just 'pop by' to influence peddle and gossip.

Nearly everyone I work with was already at a different physical location pre-pandemic. We would all schlep to an insanely overpriced chunk of leased space in the most expensive new Boston seaport development (which was coincidentally owned by the company that they hired to all their consulting work... including the new office search) and sit there at long tables with noise cancelling headphones on most of the day. It was not uncommon for people on the same meeting in the same building to be in two DIFFERENT video conference spaces, nor was it unusual for people sitting 6 feet from one another to communicate solely by Slack as there was zero privacy in a giant open floorplan.

Yes, for some jobs and some roles being physically at an office makes sense, but not for people who were already living 100% of their time just sitting in front of a screen and using Slack and Zoom all day.

PLUS I now actually have an office. I have space to store stuff, I have a white board to jot ideas down on. I can have two physical books open AT THE SAME TIME. I literally had less space in the insanely expensive office than I would have if I was working in a Starbucks.

Hi shitcock here.

As somebody who can't control my ADD or whatever the fuck my lack of attention control is labeled as now, working in an office 100% is good for me. It keeps me off toxic ass social media, watching porn, playing games and just overall being a degenerate loser. I feel like I'm with the majority here.

Maybe some day I'll be able to control myself, but unfortunately being really good at my job means I have a lot of free time. At the office I start up new projects and initiatives I wouldn't be ass'd to do at home.