2019 NFL Offseason: Chargers Started Early

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I think Jozu is actually an AI that collects things that were said on talk radio/espn/fan message boards and rearranges them into semi-coherent posts. They are a pretty good indication of the way the wind is blowing in the 49er fan community.
 
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There have been QBs on rookie contracts who had a winning record.

There have been plenty of QBs on rookie contracts who won a few games.

Almost all QBs on rookie contracts who have won a game.

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Kaines said:
And Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl either. But you still haven't pointed out the last QB to win a Super Bowl while still on their rookie contract. (It's been a few years)
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I'd assume it was Russell Wilson? Wasn't that long ago.
 
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Technically Carson Wentz was a starting QB that won a Super Bowl on a QB contract. He just didn't start in the Super Bowl.
 
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The only legit positive you can say about Dak is his low salary.

Literally every other talking point for him revolves around giving him credit for what his Oline, RB, and defense has done.
 
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jooka said:
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Why the Saints had to break the bank for Michael Thomas

The Saints made Thomas the richest receiver in NFL history because they had to. New Orleans' WR cupboard would be frighteningly bare without him.
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Good deal for Thomas. Don't think the Saints had much of a choice but also think it was the right choice.
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While I don't think he's worth it, they really had no choice and someone had to be first among WRs for that contract. Brees doesn't have much of a window and I doubt Payton lasts much past that retirement date in NO. Might as well pay while you still are in that window.
 
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Technically Carson Wentz was a starting QB that won a Super Bowl on a QB contract. He just didn't start in the Super Bowl.
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Garappollo has 2 of those. Russ is the only recent starter. Was manning still on his rookie deal in 07? Otherwise its big ben in 05
 
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zzeris said:
While I don't think he's worth it, they really had no choice and someone had to be first among WRs for that contract. Brees doesn't have much of a window and I doubt Payton lasts much past that retirement date in NO. Might as well pay while you still are in that window.
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I really think this is what they are thinking. Thomas is a great receiver for Brees but after he retires I don't think he will be worth it unless they find a similar QB to Brees.


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1987 said:
Garappollo has 2 of those. Russ is the only recent starter. Was manning still on his rookie deal in 07? Otherwise its big ben in 05
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Manning was on his rookie contract until 09.

In the past 20 years, the list of QB's who WON a Super Bowl (per the original measuring stick) are: Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Russell Wilson. There have been 10 different Super Bowl winning QB's in that time.
 
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I heard on the radio the Chargers offered him 10 million a year. He turned it down. I think its to much so hopefully they keep him and franchise him next year then maybe again and cut him loose in 2-3 years.

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Big-money quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, and Aaron Rodgers are sitting at home during the playoffs, while the Rams, Chiefs, and Texans have built contenders around young starters still on their rookie deals. The lesson is obvious if NFL teams pay attention.
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Chanur said:
I heard on the radio the Chargers offered him 10 million a year. He turned it down. I think its to much so hopefully they keep him and franchise him next year then maybe again and cut him loose in 2-3 years.

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The Curse of a Salary-Cap-Eating Quarterback

Big-money quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, and Aaron Rodgers are sitting at home during the playoffs, while the Rams, Chiefs, and Texans have built contenders around young starters still on their rookie deals. The lesson is obvious if NFL teams pay attention.
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Way too much. I'm hoping the owners are smart enough not to follow the NBA's lead. Players have way too much power there. This is a guy with one 1000 yard season and only one 16 game year under his belt. Great player but....replaceable, very replaceable.
 
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every year there are what...~700ish RB's eligible for the draft of which say a tenth are very good and maybe 1 in 100 are potentially great....a good running back, with a good qb. and especially a good offensive line, that RB can do 1000 yards rushing relatively easy provided they can hit the holes the line are opening up, if the RB can catch the Ball,,, Bonus, means he can be a 3 down back and catch screens or line up in the slot etc.

every Year there are ~70 really good -college- RB's available...why pay a max deal when you can potentially get a rookie as good as player X for 1/3rd the price for the next 4 years, and occasionally get a GREAT RB, even Better than what you have....for 1/3rd the price.

how many slightly older -great- RB's have won a superbowl while on a "max" contract? not that many.
 
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Chanur said:
I heard on the radio the Chargers offered him 10 million a year. He turned it down. I think its to much so hopefully they keep him and franchise him next year then maybe again and cut him loose in 2-3 years.

www.theringer.com

The Curse of a Salary-Cap-Eating Quarterback

Big-money quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, and Aaron Rodgers are sitting at home during the playoffs, while the Rams, Chiefs, and Texans have built contenders around young starters still on their rookie deals. The lesson is obvious if NFL teams pay attention.
www.theringer.com www.theringer.com
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I understand the problem with overpaying quarterbacks, then watching a superbowl team disintegrate trying to pay them (calling Joe Flacco). But the Raiders were without a decent Quarterback for over a decade after Gannon. Derek Carr might be over payed but he is a decent to good QB and if you want to play you have to pay. I would rather have him than what we had before.

Unfortunately, most QB's are perfectly willing to take the money and watch their team fail because you can't pay for any of the other positions. Not everyone cares more about winning (Brady).

A rookie QB is cheap but it takes a few years to learn the game. Someday a rookie QB will win the superbowl, but most rookie QB's suck and never make it in the NFL. If you only go the rookie QB route then that's a lot of losing records for the fans to stomach.
 
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Way too much. I'm hoping the owners are smart enough not to follow the NBA's lead. Players have way too much power there. This is a guy with one 1000 yard season and only one 16 game year under his belt. Great player but....replaceable, very replaceable.
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Not to derail. No. There might be 10 players who have too much power in the NBA. The rest...not so much.

Agree with you and everyone else. There is no way in hell you pay a running back big bucks any longer unless you are top 3, AND you have a shitty QB. Barkley if he was due, would come to mind. EE also.
 
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