2019 NFL Offseason: Chargers Started Early

So Schefter and others are saying AB to the Raiders is official, 3rd and a 5th lmfao. Mike Mayock just fleeced Kevin Colbert, thats nothing.

The entire steelers FO from GM down to Tomlin needs to be fired. He'll probably suck dick in Oakland, so I guess there's at least being happy hes on an awful team.

On terms of pure value, a 3rd and 5th doesn't honestly seem too bad. But, for a team that's clearly rebuilding and may not even stick with Derek Carr, it seems pointless.

DickTrickle said:

On terms of pure value, a 3rd and 5th doesn't honestly seem too bad. But, for a team that's clearly rebuilding and may not even stick with Derek Carr, it seems pointless.

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I mean that's not much for someone of his ability, but it's not like they were a receiver short of contention. So now they win 5 games instead of 3 or 4?

Pittsburgh got fucked...

No doubt left now. Amari Cooper >>>>>> Antonio Brown.

Sterling said:

I mean that's not much for someone of his ability, but it's not like they were a receiver short of contention. So now they win 5 games instead of 3 or 4?

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I'd like to see what else they do, including with their 3 first round draft picks this year. Not that I think they're going to contend or anything, but they still have the ability to add a lot of talent to that team.

Sterling said:

I mean that's not much for someone of his ability, but it's not like they were a receiver short of contention. So now they win 5 games instead of 3 or 4?

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Carr's best receiver last year was Jared Cook. a tight end. At one point last year they had a guy catching balls a week after he was watching the games from his couch. In spite of his total lack of receiving talent and a horrible offensive line, Carr had one of his best years statistically (except the one that counts wins / losses).

The popular sentiment is that Carr sucks, but that is a very shallow assessment. Anyone who actually watched Carr over the year saw a good QB doing the best he could in very crappy company.

After having been without a decent QB since Rich Gannon, i like having Carr. There is nothing worse in football then not having a decent QB. Is Carr top tier? Probably not, but he is very talented and much better than any other realistic choices out there.

I have many more questions about Brown. His attitude might not work. We'll see. But the Raiders basically got an upgrade for Cooper and kept the first round pick. So the deal on paper is a huge plus for the Raiders.

Grim1 said:

Carr's best receiver last year was Jared Cook. a tight end. At one point they had a guy catching balls a week after he was watching the games from his couch. In spite of his total lack of receiving talent and a right guard that is atrocious Carr had one of his best years statistically (except the one that counts wins / losses).

The popular sentiment is that Carr sucks, but that is a shallow assessment. Anyone who actually watched Carr over the year saw a good QB doing the best he could in very crappy company.

After having been without a decent QB since Rich Gannon, i like having Carr. There is nothing worse in football then not having a decent QB. Is Carr top tier? Probably not, but he is very talented and much better than another other realistic choices out there.

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Carr is fine but he's not the Rapist and this trade still won't make them contenders even if the trade was decent from a strict value assessment in a vacuum.

Sterling said:

Carr is fine but he's not the Rapist and this trade still won't make them contenders even if the trade was decent from a strict value assessment in a vacuum.

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Lol, of course. But they still have 3 first round picks and a ton of cap money to work with. If the Raiders suck again this year it will all be on Gruden.

Gruden is the real issue with the Raiders. I was never sold on him coming back and I still am not. But now wer're stuck with him so hopefully he proves me wrong.

Grim1 said:

Lol, of course. But they still have 3 first round picks and a ton of cap money to work with. If the Raiders suck again this year it will all be on Gruden.

Gruden is the real issue with the Raiders. I was never sold on him coming back and I still am not. But now wer're stuck with him so hopefully he proves me wrong.

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Right, but even if they hit on some of those picks, they'll still be really young and paying a lot to an aging receiver.

Sterling said:

Right, but even if they hit on some of those picks, they'll still be really young and paying a lot to an aging receiver.

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It all depends on the picks and how well they do in free agency. They aren't totally bereft of talent. They just have huge holes that need to be filled after losing Khalil, etc. It wasn't long ago that they went 12-4 with Carr and might have done even better if he hadn't broke his leg. That was a year after losing 13 games.

This is the NFL, the difference between first and worst isn't as big as everyone assumes. I don't expect the Raiders to go the the Super Bowl but they will be much improved (better be Gruden). And crazy things happen all the time in sports. That's why they play the game.

The Steeler's couldn't trade AB. They were going to trade him to Buffalo, but he refused to play for them and sabotaged it. He would sabotage any deal he didn't like. There is zero chance waiting for a better deal would happen via the Steeler's organization. The Steeler's reportedly gave up trying to trade him after the Buffalo fiasco and told AB and his agent Drew Rosenhaus to find them a deal he was happy with. AB showed the league how to be a drama bitch and succeed if you are good enough.

The only leverage the Steeler's had was not trading him. They refused to use it. Just like they won't use their real leverage on Bell. The Steeler's should have kept Brown. Either he plays and plays well, or he refuses to play and sits. They go after him for his money and reduce his cap hit because he's detrimental to the team and drag out lawsuits and NFLPA arbitration. Both those options are better than a 3rd round pick, a 5th round pick, and 21 million in dead money (an NFL record for dead money for a single player) on a pure value basis.

Ben wanted him gone, and gone now. Ben is a little bitch. He threatened to retire if they didn't get rid of Todd Haley and that worked out awesome. Steelers have about 1.5 years left in the current format to succeed, otherwise nuke it all. Colbert, Tomlin, Ben, and the rest and rebuild sooner than later.