Ancient Kingdoms

Slaanesh69 said:

What is the easiest world boss to kill - the Ancient Cyclops? I fear it would hit as hard as that giant Guardian. The hps don't worry me, I've killed some 700 k creatures, it is more damage mitigation.

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Yes, but as a solo tank it is harder than you'd expect, because it both enrages and casts heavily damaging aoe stuns

Burns said:

Also been playing this over the last week or two and ran into the same issue as you. I used a slightly different setup with Rogue PC and War/Clr/Dru/Wiz party. Farmed the 700k demon in Krom Razz enough to get all the drops my party could use. Then was able to clear Sunken Temple outside of the summon event. I tried some other bosses like Cyclops and Pyroth (fire ele) but both melted my face at or before enrage with 13 vet points. I would guess that Sunken Temple is probably the next step, until all gear is acquired from there. I didn't do Vault of the Vanished either, so that might be another spot.

I was getting bored of the game at that point, so decided to try a warrior but no way I was going to get through leveling up another toon before quitting. So in grindy games, when I am close to quitting is when I usually cheat in order to get a few more hours out of it. I learned how to dupe items using cheat engine and auto-leveled up the warrior to match the rogue with all the same gear of the rogue's party (easier than transferting all the gear, if I wanted to jump back and forth between both toons). I used a party of CLR/WIZ/ROG/ROG in order to try to keep up with kill times for rogue PC, but still couldn't kill Cyclops and the demon in Krom Razz didn't seem any faster (it was actually a harder fight too).

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Yeah, I guess I could start running Sunken Temple. I have also run Krom Razz ad nauseum. What's the strat for that Guardian that group fears? I assume it is unresistable, and I always fail to stun interrupt. The rest of the bosses I have killed once.

I suppose I could look at the compendium and target kill some accessible bosses for specific items.

May be time to retire for a bit and try Erenshor.

Pyroth in Molten summit, Ancient Cyclops and Nyxarion the dragon are the three easier world bosses, getting geared up from them will help. Also the fabled section in the lizard man den is pretty easy with some decent loot dropping from there.

Slaanesh69 said:

What's the strat for that Guardian that group fears? I assume it is unresistable, and I always fail to stun interrupt.

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I just powered through it on rogue. The Merc Warrior AoE taunts everything and I would focus adds... basically doing that mini-boss cleared the whole front section of that "room" due to fear pulling a mess of adds. If I were to try a strat, I would clear the room before it, put all Mercs on defense, then pull it back (I keep cleric on defense at all times, so it doesn't burn mana on nukes).

Burns said:

I just powered through it on rogue. The Merc Warrior AoE taunts everything and I would focus adds... basically doing that mini-boss cleared the whole front section of that "room" due to fear pulling a mess of adds. If I were to try a strat, I would clear the room before it, put all Mercs on defense, then pull it back (I keep cleric on defense at all times, so it doesn't burn mana on nukes).

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Yeah, clearing would help, last time I died because I went one way and the healers went the other and by the time I recovered I was almost dead with no team. So there was no real STRAT to avoid that lol.

Here are all of my stats and my "main" spec. I have a "full tank" build on Spec 2, but I almost never use it. You just don't gain enough survivability for the loss in DPS. I did swap to "full tank" on my first Cyclops kill, but realized I didn't really need it, and now just tank him in full DPS/2H spec.

I'm able to easily clear Cyclops, Pyroth, and Dragon as far as "world bosses" go. I still haven't done Urzak and probably won't for a bit more gear/vet levels, since I think he's going to require 12k+ HP. He hits like a fucking monster during his enrage. One thing to remember for enrage phases, is that you want to go into it popping your Leadership VET skill right as it starts, to try and burn through it. Also, save all your cooldowns and whatnot during that phase.

If you still need to farm gear, don't forget about Fabled bosses. There is a really good tank shield (that isn't replaced until you can kill the Captain in Winterforge) that drops from the first fabled boss in Lost Catacombs. There's also a bitching healer shield that drops from the Fabled Ancient Spirit in Abondoned Mines. Lizard dungeon also has some solid fabled gear, but the first boss does hit like a truck - he's definitely doable once you get your healers in solid gear and some more HP. Secondly, make sure you're gearing your mercs properly. Healers need a ton of wisdom before their heals are actually effective. Int to bump up their mana pool helps, but wisdom is their big "difference making" stat. Also, I went full CON build on my Warrior. Literally all of my points were dumped into CON. Splitting stats isn't really all that effective in this game and you typically want to focus.

Also, while Ranger is the highest DPS Merc, his AC debuff is overwritten by Warrior's. So, I typically like running Rogue, since he has a nice melee damage debuff he applies. Based on your screenshots, Slaanesh69 , you just need more gear. Your Cleric looks a little undergeared in the mana department and you DEFININTELY should be at a much higher health, considering you're 10 VT levels higher than me but have almost 2k less life. Definitely spend the 3k gold to dump your stats into CON and possibly look at your VT points as well.

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Here are all of my stats and my "main" spec. I have a "full tank" build on Spec 2, but I almost never use it. You just don't gain enough survivability for the loss in DPS. I did swap to "full tank" on my first Cyclops kill, but realized I didn't really need it, and now just tank him in full DPS/2H spec.

I'm able to easily clear Cyclops, Pyroth, and Dragon as far as "world bosses" go. I still haven't done Urzak and probably won't for a bit more gear/vet levels, since I think he's going to require 12k+ HP. He hits like a fucking monster during his enrage. One thing to remember for enrage phases, is that you want to go into it popping your Leadership VET skill right as it starts, to try and burn through it. Also, save all your cooldowns and whatnot during that phase.

If you still need to farm gear, don't forget about Fabled bosses. There is a really good tank shield (that isn't replaced until you can kill the Captain in Winterforge) that drops from the first fabled boss in Lost Catacombs. There's also a bitching healer shield that drops from the Fabled Ancient Spirit in Abondoned Mines. Lizard dungeon also has some solid fabled gear, but the first boss does hit like a truck - he's definitely doable once you get your healers in solid gear and some more HP. Secondly, make sure you're gearing your mercs properly. Healers need a ton of wisdom before their heals are actually effective. Int to bump up their mana pool helps, but wisdom is their big "difference making" stat. Also, I went full CON build on my Warrior. Literally all of my points were dumped into CON. Splitting stats isn't really all that effective in this game and you typically want to focus.

Also, while Ranger is the highest DPS Merc, his AC debuff is overwritten by Warrior's. So, I typically like running Rogue, since he has a nice melee damage debuff he applies. Based on your screenshots, Slaanesh69 , you just need more gear. Your Cleric looks a little undergeared in the mana department and you DEFININTELY should be at a much higher health, considering you're 10 VT levels higher than me but have almost 2k less life. Definitely spend the 3k gold to dump your stats into CON and possibly look at your VT points as well.

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Yeah, it seems to be exclusively gear. I did spend some points on STR at the beginning but it's been exclusively CON for a long time. Our Vet points are pretty much the same. I did the full 10 in the mana/health team heal, and I've been putting some into AC thinking maybe it would help. May just put it into raw health instead.

And maybe try the rogue.

Okay, in all seriousness, the rogue is worth it just for the trap disarm. Never again dungeon crawling without it!

In my tank spec I am doing better now that I put every attribute point into CON, but I have not found a single upgrade since the last post. My cleric is still lower mana than Kirun's, but they never run out of mana.

I was going to respec my Veteran points but you need an item from a mob in Sunken Temple and he's never spawned for me so far.

Yeah, Balatro will grab you by your balls for a while. Have fun.

Finally killed Captain Kragek, and that pos only dropped his shield and not one of the set gloves. Stingy prick. I will say that the shield was an upgrade for me though lol.

VT40, full buffed with potions and food around 12.5 k hps, 459 AC. Interestingly, my gear score is 3,046 and was 3,099 when I posted my skills and character sheet before. Def need to focus on the hps and CON as the tank. Took a downgrade on my helmet that gave me a ton more HPS (stopped wearing the crown you quest for early and gave it to the rogue).



Edit - Winterforge is def the best place to do VT points if you just want to mindlessly kill mobs.....once your team has sufficient dps to do the guards in a decent amount of time. At VT 39 I was getting 1.1 - 1.5% or so per Guard (plus they drop 100+ gold each). Bring some exp potions and you can blast through the xp bar. You can cycle around the central square and harvest the 4 plants there too for herbalism exp. Captain Kragek is close to the west and one of the epic giant peasants to the east (he only has a 3 item drop pool though, and hasn't dropped one for me yet).

Inside the south gate of Winterforge are a triangle of three guards and a bear - once you can handle that pull (or split it if you are lucky/good) you are ready for the farm.

WF is definitely a decent place to farm VT points. Plus, all the guards can drop set boots, so it's also a great way to get some really good upgrades.

Just hit VT40 as well. Sitting about just shy of 20kHP when I'm in Avatar form. Just shy of 500 CON now. Got lucky with the legendary sword drop from Dragon and also from the first fabled Lizard Boss. Even though the Lizard boss' legendary sword is technically higher ILVL and more HP regen, it doesn't have as much CON as the Dragon legendary. So, I stuck with the Dragon sword and threw the Lizardman sword on my Ranger.

Avatar of Water is my current nemesis. I've downed him once, but it's just soooo inconsistent and a pain in the ass to farm for the item you need to summon him. Just doing the "world boss" loop 1 or 2 times a day now to hunt a few upgrades between Captain kills, trying to get gloves to drop. I finally got Urzak on "farm" mode and can consistently kill him. He does get pretty dicey at times and health will dip to 10-20%, but I'll pop mend and if he gets another lucky crit I ended up taking the Runeshield ability as well (makes you invuln for X seconds - doesn't drop your aggro). King also kicked my ass in Winterforge. I was able to down his bear and get a nice belt upgrade, but the King's AOE is just nuts. It's going to take a good chunk more VT levels.

Exploring the Tower of Frozen Shadow zone now (Vault of the Vanished), seeing what I can/can't kill.

Got some Lizard fabled upgrades, but I am still behind the Kirun curve, around 13.4 k hps without potions or food. Only 299 constitution, what a scrub!



And this helped my cleric a ton:



Haven't seen the Avatar of Water item spawner yet, cleared it maybe 4 times so far?

Going after Overseer Garok next for the quest after one more clear of the Lizard Den for an Adventurer's quest. May try the boss in there as well as the Fabled, but I think it will just be a faster way to teleport home than using a scroll.

Slaanesh69 said:

Haven't seen the Avatar of Water item spawner yet, cleared it maybe 4 times so far?

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This mob and the mob that drops the VT respec stone are never there on first clear. I usually double back to both areas after clearing the 2nd boss. Their % chance to spawn is on RESPAWN.

Identikit said:

is there a better place to grind than twisted haunt to 50? I am 45 and am kind of tired of that zone.

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Not really. That 5 boss run is about the most consistent EXP on the road to 50. You could maybe do the Fabled Lizardman trash mobs for decent EXP, but you'll just need to be really careful not to pull the bosses. Haunt is also the best spot to farm the first 10-15 VT levels too, at which point you can start exclusively boss hunting and just let VT become sort of a "passive" thing.

Kirun said:

This mob and the mob that drops the VT respec stone are never there on first clear. I usually double back to both areas after clearing the 2nd boss. Their % chance to spawn is on RESPAWN.

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Good to know, thanks.

Managed to kill Sszaryx, he wasn't as hard as I expected. Of course he dropped his boot item, and my entire party has set boots from Winterforge. Mf'er.

Clearly not an upgrade:

Identikit said:

is there a better place to grind than twisted haunt to 50? I am 45 and am kind of tired of that zone.

I tried the ork castle but fabled lord darish sometimes mercs me.

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I second Kirun's recommendation.

I scattered in Adventurer quests occasionally just to avoid burning out on the zone.

Kirun said:

This mob and the mob that drops the VT respec stone are never there on first clear. I usually double back to both areas after clearing the 2nd boss. Their % chance to spawn is on RESPAWN.

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Sorry for spam replies, but I need some clarity.

For instance, with Overseer Garok in the orc fortress, should I be cycling through the zone clearing respawns, waiting for him to spawn, or is it the same chance as on paid reset?

Slaanesh69 said:

Sorry for spam replies, but I need some clarity.

For instance, with Overseer Garok in the orc fortress, should I be cycling through the zone clearing respawns, waiting for him to spawn, or is it the same chance as on paid reset?

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It's up to you how you want to handle it. He spawns in front of the fireplace at the top. So, you can clear that area and hope he pops on respawn (if he does pop and you kill him, he now has a 1HR respawn timer). Thing is, it's only a 50/50. In my experience, it's much faster to just run in, see if it's up, if not go ahead and smash Darish because he's like 200k+ XP, run out, reset, repeat. It's 1400gold per reset, but you can sell the Darish loot to make up for it.

Same applies to any zone that you "reset". It's still subject to the 50/50 on the reset, because the renewal sage is "respawning" the zone. For instance, to get the Angry Librarian to spawn I needed for the 3rd floor key in Vault of the Vanished, I needed to kill the PHs 17 times before I finally got the fucker to spawn. But, it was less of a pain in the ass to do that, rather than run aaaalllll the way out to the renewal sage, since it's so far in. Overseer has a super close renewal sage.