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mkopec said:

Im not saying it was a GOOD reason, just that they tried to explain why.

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No, that was a good reason.

But even if droids were cheaper than prison labor, they'd still have to pay for the droids. They'd have to account for them at some point, not so with prisoners.

The post-credit scene explains why the prisoners were better for this application, and it wasn't the cost. It was because they needed to keep the project as secret as possible. It was a very clever resolution to the old question of how the Empire was able to accomplish that whole thing in secret.

phisey said:

No, that was a good reason.

But even if droids were cheaper than prison labor, they'd still have to pay for the droids. They'd have to account for them at some point, not so with prisoners.

The post-credit scene explains why the prisoners were better for this application, and it wasn't the cost. It was because they needed to keep the project as secret as possible. It was a very clever resolution to the old question of how the Empire was able to accomplish that whole thing in secret.

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the droids don't clock off, get drunk and run their mouth at the bar.

They could easily have built a super automated production site with non sentient droids that ran 24/7

Ossoi said:

the droids don't clock off, get drunk and run their mouth at the bar.

They could easily have built a super automated production site with non sentient droids that ran 24/7

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In this universe droids get depressed and start rebellions at funerals.

But prisoners get murdered by floors for free.

phisey said:

In this universe droids get depressed and start rebellions at funerals.

But prisoners get murdered by floors for free.

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For someone accused of being a bot you should know what non sentient means

Ossoi said:

For someone accused of being a bot you should know what non sentient means

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Whatever that means. Fact is, the premise works. Gilroy wrote the whole arc around it: the Empire could only create its ultimate weapon in secret with the one resource it knew no one would care about: criminals.

Droids will always cost money, prisoners will always be a liability.

Furry said:

I dunno where people get the idea that droids wouldn’t talk in a series where we’ve had people applying techniques to make droids talk multiple times.

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try responding to the complete post you're replying to, not just half of it.

I don't know if you guys are aware, but we have automated production lines on this planet. The empire could easily have had a fully automated factory staffed with only a few loyal essential maintenance workers. Shit, they probably didn't even need those.

mkopec said:

I mean common sense would dictate that if they could make sentient droids that could think for themselves, like most droids do in this universe, one would think they could also make some dumb ones that only did specific tasks. Because you cannot have sentient bots without the evolution from dumb ones.

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yeah, people here acting like every droid in the galaxy was a renegade like R2-D2

"According to background material, most droids lack true sentience and are given processing abilities sufficient only to carry out their assigned function. However, over time droids may develop sentience on their own as they accumulate experience. Periodic memory wipes can prevent this from happening, but those who manage to escape this fate will begin to develop their own personalities.[13]"

mkopec said:

I mean common sense would dictate that if they could make sentient droids that could think for themselves, like most droids do in this universe, one would think they could also make some dumb ones that only did specific tasks. Because you cannot have sentient bots without the evolution from dumb ones.

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Sure, but would it be cheaper than prisoners I can kill with the floor?

Even if you just needed to optimize say, welding a simple joint, it will always be easier and cheaper with slave labor than with technology. You can almost certainly automate that at scale, but would it be cheaper than free prison labor that you can control with a kill switch? Or with adding chocolate flavor to their daily fuel source?

You can overthink this as much as you want, but you don't need star wars technology for it. If you have a free labor resource that is just costing you money right now, it will always be cheaper than whatever technological solution you can come up with.

You just need to have no limits on the application of violence.

phisey said:

Sure, but would it be cheaper than prisoners I can kill with the floor?

Even if you just needed to optimize say, welding a simple joint, it will always be easier and cheaper with slave labor than with technology. You can almost certainly automate that at scale, but would it be cheaper than free prison labor that you can control with a kill switch? Or with adding chocolate flavor to their daily fuel source?

You can overthink this as much as you want, but you don't need star wars technology for it. If you have a free labor resource that is just costing you money right now, it will always be cheaper than whatever technological solution you can come up with.

You just need to have no limits on the application of violence.

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what kind of bizarro take is this? This is Star Wars, where droids are running around everywhere. From Battle Droids to Protocol Droids, mouse droids, garbage droids etc etc

You think Empire struggles for cash or what?

Ossoi said:

what kind of bizarro take is this? This is Star Wars, where droids are running around everywhere. From Battle Droids to Protocol Droids, mouse droids, garbage droids etc etc

You think Empire struggles for cash or what?

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It's the Star Wars take: the one where the very first movie shows the foster family of a Jedi orphan haggles with a bunch of Jawas over the cost and quality of those droids.

Like it or not, Star Wars establishes a value to droids and their labor. They're plentiful, sure, but from the first 10 minutes of the first movie, it's established that their value impacts the lives of the people inhabit that universe.

Prisoners? Not so much.

mkopec said:

YEah I dont know if you ever actually witnessed the welding robots we have here on earth (which is like star wars minus some 1000 yrs or some shit in technology and programming) doing welds that no human could ever reproduce 100% of the time, again, running 24/7 with no breaks and 100% perfect welds.

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Are they cheaper than Dayquan serving 20 years for slanging crack?