Artifact - The DOTA Card Game

Seems like it would be easy enough to say that if you sell cards you can't refund the game and you cannot refund more than once or maybe add a timeframe limitation on refunding the same game.

I think the whole marketplace is just way too hard to evaluate at this point. If there are only a couple thousand players than cards may get expensive but if there are millions then you would think the market would be flooded with cards. We don't even know how rare cards will be. There are only three rarities, common, uncommon, and rare. Each pack contains a rare. So how rare are "good" cards really going to be?

Some generic sounding deck archetypes were released ahead of Gamescom. Any information at this point is hype for me. Next week can't come soon enough!

Artifact

Dota 2 was in "beta" for over 2 years, so.... don't expect anything different haha

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Seems reasonable. Basically Artifact will follow the physical card game model. You'll have to put money into the system to get cards whether that be through buying packs, trading with people, or using the marketplace. They plan to reprint some cards so there will still be collector cards that may sell for high value, but in terms of actual card usage people should be able to get all the cards for their decks for a "managable" about of money.

I haven't played MtG in years, but years ago most of the top tier decks ran a few cards they did not come cheap. In Hearthstone, even after the changes to legendary drops, its easy to spend a couple hundred dollars every expansion to get all the drops and that probably includes the gold grind and dusting your extras.

For Magic, generally in "standard", where cards are currently in-print, if a card is absolutely dominant it'll get up to 30-40 bucks, with the good-to-great ones landing in the 5-18 bracket. Every once in a while you hit an unreal level of cross-play and get your $60-80 standard card, but that's only really happened twice, and they were both Jace fuck-ups. Draft and people cracking tournament prize support generally does a good job of meeting and exceeding demand, such that currently-in-print cards taper down in value over time.

In older formats, where cards are no longer in print, your high demand/low supply staples are generally in the 20-40 range too, although some of them spike higher than that due to speculator influence/unusually high disparity of demand vs supply. It's unusual to see a single card that was printed after 2000 break $100 (Although Noble Hierarch and Mox Opal are busy doing god's work since Wizards decided to skip a half-dozen opportunities to reprint them, and they're 4-of-staples in a variety of archetypes). And even for those expensive cards, when they actually do a Reprint Set that doesn't suck balls, it's basically a 50% value knee-capping for the cards that get reprinted. Artifact should have an easier time with matching their "print run" to their playerbase, so the supply-demand disparities shouldn't be huge like they are in magic (that, and nobody's dog is gnawing on your artifact cards, or sending them through the wash, taking them out of the market).

Where it gets awkward for Magic is lands, which don't really seem to have a mirror here (unless the equipment cards come in packs?). The playerbase has increased 5-10-fold since some of the most necessary lands were printed, and for the absolute best lands, it doesn't even really matter what color combination your deck is, because any fetch that matches even just one of your colors is on the docket for possible inclusion.

This looks so damn good, my wallet is fucked and I cannot wait.

I am hoping that we finally get a game that competes with Hearthstone. If the game play is good, this will be my new game and I will happily let Hearthstone go.

Looks like Steam.tv is happening today.

Also, apparently they confirmed on stream there will be full text chat which is pretty cool I guess.

You don't honestly think the packs in the beta are going to be free do you?

I was wondering what the Hearthstone pros were thinking about Artifact, especially after Pax. I know its still a little early considering Pax is still ongoing but there were a few notable comments. I know there were rumors about Lifecoach having a few hundred hours in Artifact previously. Wondering what this does to Hearthstone and if Blizzard will mix it up even more next expansion.

So there hasn't been anything too crazy of note lately. People seem to be ramping up for the October beta which its assumed that the NDA will be dropped. Currently there is lots of card releases. No word about if you can buy into the beta just yet.

Ratsmah (popular HS streamer) received a beta key from his team and didn't fully understand the NDA and ended up making a basic intro video for his HS fans. Luckily Valve was very understanding and just told him not to post anymore.


Also, I'm not a huge SUNsfan follower but him and Slacks and a few others have been in the beta forever and are very knowledgeable about the game. It got me pretty hype when he said they'll have around 50 videos made for when the NDA drops.

Some Chinese person leaked a ton of shit via Weibo which is causing drama since some of these cards were given to community members to reveal. Hopefully Valve doesn't go easy on him.. but in regards to that I will share a bunch of the cards that were leaked. Sounds like its a person who cares about their access/future access so it seems odd.