CFB 2013-2014

What does history have to do with anything? It's bad enough that Alabama is excused from any competition with the other undefeated teams this season based on the accomplishment of last year's team.

I'm pretty confident in my prediction that Florida State would dump truck Ohio State on a neutral fieldthis year. I'm not sure what the ACC's historical bowl appearance total has to do with anything...just saying it really looks like Jimbo's boys are where it's at in 2013. That program is back.

I think OSU has a really good match up against Bama, who has a good matchup against FSU, who I'm completely unsure about the match up with OSU.

Baylor will remain an unknown since apart from them losing, I don't see what their remaining schedule says match up wise against the rest.

Alabama is a *terrible* match up for Ohio State. Look what Saban did to Florida in 2009 who had undeniably better talent on offense and defense (as well as defensive coaching) than Ohio State has now. I think Alabama wins that game by 3 scores. This guy says they'd be a 10 point favorite.

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That's a good point since the 2013 Bama OSU match up shares almost nothing in common with the 2009 Bama Florida match up.

joeboo_sl said:

Because there's no competition in your conference

Ohio St is 20-23 all time in bowl games. If you only want to look at somewhat modern history, you're 9-13 since 1990.

It's Ohio State M.O. Roll a weak B10, lose their bowl game to a more athletic team. To be even more specific, you're 1-9 against the SEC in bowl games since 1990, the only win being against Arkansas by 5 points, hardly an elite team in the SEC.

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This is an absurd argument. Skill of current players and coaches only determines team strength this year. There is no doubt Ohio State has weaknesses, but you have no grounds to state that OSU will in the future 'lose their bowl game to a more athletic team' by your own admission. By your own admission, 'Ohio St might actually be good' in previous post. We will find out in the Rose Bowl this year most likely. You cannot both make the claim OSU is/will be a weak team and also make the claim that we can't know how good OSU is based on the schedule. If you don't understand, google 'law of non-contradiction.'

This is not 2006; Jim Tressel is not the coach and Troy Smith is not the quarterback at OSU. In 2013, betting against OSU is betting against Urban Meyer. Are you making the argument that Meyer will not be able to recruit great athletes at OSU? Are you making the argument that Meyer will not be able to coach his players up to the same level at OSU as he did at Florida?

Investigating your claim 'the only win being against Arkansas by 5 points, hardly an elite team in the SEC':
Arkansas in 2010 was 6-2 in the SEC, beating Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi State, and LSU, and losing to Alabama by 4 and 22 to Auburn (the national champion). I argue that in fact Arkansas was an elite team in the SEC in 2010, when they were defeated by a typical OSU-Tressel team. Incidentally, the same could be said of the 2009 win against Oregon. This is the most recent reliable data available, considering what happened in 2011 and 2012.

Investigating your claim that OSU has more BCS wins than the entire ACC, and the most BCS wins 'Because there's no competition in your conference'
If the Big10 truely had no competition, you would expect OSU to typically lose BCS games to teams from other, presumably more competitive, conferences; they typically do not. Your argument fits no facts, only your irrational bias.

Having read your posts to this point, it seems like repeating the same unsupported assertion many times constitutes a valid argument to you, so long as you see others repeating the same assertion (say, on ESPN), and the assertion fits your bias. Facts, like, "OSU/Urban Meyer win a lot, including in BCS games against quality opponents such as 2010 Arkansas and 2009 Oregon" don't seem to matter to you as long as you can repeat something you heard someone else said like 'teh bIG10 is weak!'

If people can make the claim tOSU is playing in a soft conference and would get rolled by 'Bama, shouldnt the same be said about Florida State? The ACC has been laughable for years in football with FSU being the only decent team in there, Miami and Clemson are overrated. Yet people think 'Bama/FSU would be a good NCG? I can see 'Bama winning by 3+ TDs easily.

The SEC outside of 'Bama and Missouri atm isnt anything to brag about either. A&M is nothing special and Georgia, well I will be honest I had them as the frontrunner for the SEC and to have a spot in the NCG but they havent had luck on their side (dont they have some key injuries going on?). I am not saying tOSU deserves to be #1 or anything, but the teams ahead of them outside of the true #1 havent really done anything to make me think they would roll on the Buckeyes.

Alot of people just want to compare the old Buckeyes with the new ones, Urban has changed the way we play big time. Tresselball is no more and its a huge sigh of relief.

Insomnia_sl said:

If people can make the claim tOSU is playing in a soft conference and would get rolled by 'Bama, shouldnt the same be said about Florida State? The ACC has been laughable for years in football with FSU being the only decent team in there, Miami and Clemson are overrated. Yet people think 'Bama/FSU would be a good NCG? I can see 'Bama winning by 3+ TDs easily.

The SEC outside of 'Bama and Missouri atm isnt anything to brag about either. A&M is nothing special and Georgia, well I will be honest I had them as the frontrunner for the SEC and to have a spot in the NCG but they havent had luck on their side (dont they have some key injuries going on?). I am not saying tOSU deserves to be #1 or anything, but the teams ahead of them outside of the true #1 havent really done anything to make me think they would roll on the Buckeyes.

Alot of people just want to compare the old Buckeyes with the new ones, Urban has changed the way we play big time. Tresselball is no more and its a huge sigh of relief.

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Problem with Ohio State is you can't run on Alabama. Teams are averaging maybe 110-120 yds a game on the ground against them, while Ohio State is averaging 301 per game. Even doubling the rush yds Alabama is allowing, that still cuts OSU's rushing by 25-30% compared to normal.

Tea_sl said:

That's a good point since the 2013 Bama OSU match up shares almost nothing in common with the 2009 Bama Florida match up.

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Yep. Different coaches. Totally different philosophies from these new guys they brought in, too.

Or it's the exact same guys doing things the exact same way they've always done. If you think that this year's Alabama team is incomparable to the 2009 Alabama team, you are a mother fucking retard.

Though in the end you've left yourself arguing my point for me, anyway. As I pointed out, Urban Meyer is playing with a poor man's version of that 2009 team, and you don't seem to think they stack up, either.

Big day tomorrow. LSU has a better record against Alabama at Tuscaloosa than at home. For having played them since 1895 we have only played at Bryant-Denny Stadium 15 times and have a winning record there.

But for all that, gotta go against my Tigers. I predict at least a 3 TD loss, possibly a lot more.

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Here's one that sticks out.

5. Drafting, the football kind: LSU has sent 51 players to the NFL draft in the past eight years, the time that Les Miles has been the head coach there. Alabama has sent 33 players in the past four years. Thirty-one players from the 2011 BCS title game -- Alabama vs. LSU -- were drafted into the NFL.

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Every starter on defense for LSU from that game has played at least one down in the NFL so far.

Borzak_sl said:

Big day tomorrow. LSU has a better record against Alabama at Tuscaloosa than at home. For having played them since 1895 we have only played at Bryant-Denny Stadium 15 times and have a winning record there.

But for all that, gotta go against my Tigers. I predict at least a 3 TD loss, possibly a lot more.

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Yeah, gonna be rough.

frqkjt_sl said:

Investigating your claim that OSU has more BCS wins than the entire ACC, and the most BCS wins 'Because there's no competition in your conference'
If the Big10 truely had no competition, you would expect OSU to typically lose BCS games to teams from other, presumably more competitive, conferences; they typically do not. Your argument fits no facts, only your irrational bias.

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Actually, this is exactly what a losing bowl record implies.

Let's do a fun experiment. Let's look at the top 10 winningest FBS programs of all time, and look at their postseason(bowl) win %

1. Michigan 47%
2. Texas 55%
3. Notre Dame 47%
4. Nebraska 49%
5. Ohio St 45%
6. Oklahoma 60%
7. Alabama 61%
8. Tennessee 51%
9. USC 67%
10. Georgia 60%

Not only is Ohio St the lowest winning %, but take a look at who all is below 50%. All Big 10 teams + an honorary Big10 team(Notre Dame). And before you make the claim that Nebraska wasn't a Big 10 team until 2 years ago, note that Nebraska also had a winning bowl record all time up until 2 years ago, they've lost both of their bowls since joining the B10.

2009 Florida is completely different. The Oline is better, per Urban. And as far as him having a real TB at Florida, basically never.

Tea_sl said:

That's a good point since the 2013 Bama OSU match up shares almost nothing in common with the 2009 Bama Florida match up.

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Having watched Alabama and OSU play this year, I would expect a game between the two schools to play out similarly to the 2008 championship game between LSU and OSU; not quite a beat down, but a clear win for Alabama and with OSU never in a position to win; Saban does not let opponents come back in the 2nd half like Iowa or Northwestern. Even if Alabama is no juggernaut, their depth of talent is absurd at this level.

Between Stanford, Oregon, FSU, and maybe Baylor, I do not think there is sufficient information available to predict. However, having watched every OSU game this year, it is clear that most teams in the top 25 could pose a challenge for OSU based on defensive weakness. OSU's offense has no trouble scoring given enough opportunities by the defense. Take the 1st half of Iowa game for example - OSU defense could not get off the field, allowing Iowa to run the clock and limit OSU offensive possessions and scoring. The unanswerable question is which team, OSU or random top 25, could better expoit opponent weaknesses on that particular day. I think Urban Meyer is quite good at planning and coaching to do this, thus the tendency for his teams to win.

As OSU fan, I'd rather Alabama beat someone else down in the championship this year and watch OSU in the Rose Bowl against Pac-12 competition. A win would nicely put down the Pac-12 mouth running for at least a month.

joeboo_sl said:

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Actually, this is exactly what a losing bowl record implies.

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So, in order to maintain your argument, you have to dilute stats with many games played when neither of us were alive and even under a different set of game rules? OSU was playing football before the forward pass was legal, and you include those games in your stats and pretend the result has any meaning whatsoever.

That is exactly what someone unable to escape their irrational bias does - create weak or doctored evidence that supports their bias but has no relevancy.

All of my comments should be understood as applying to the BCS era only. In the BCS era, OSU has a winning bowl record, thus your argument fails in the context of the BCS era.

If you want to pretend that a bowl game played in 1901 before the forward pass was legal has some kind of relevance to relative strength of conferences in 2013, go ahead. However, doing so does not refute my original point:

Investigating your claim that OSU has more BCS wins than the entire ACC, and the most BCS wins 'Because there's no competition in your conference'
If the Big10 truely had no competition, you would expect OSU to typically lose BCS games to teams from other, presumably more competitive, conferences; they typically do not. Your argument fits no facts, only your irrational bias.

--Please note: I specifically mentioned BCS in my original point; my context should have been clear.

Bearcats! Keeping it interesting. I got to say I like the Tuberville. Pretty much everyone on the team has steadily improved, can't ask for much more than that.

Tea_sl said:

Bearcats! Keeping it interesting. I got to say I like the Tuberville. Pretty much everyone on the team has steadily improved, can't ask for much more than that.

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I still don't know why it didn't work out for the Riverboat Gambler at Auburn. Once he left the program did absolutely nothing on its own, it was the Cam Newton show. The guy can coach.

Dear Michigan, you know what's coming.

Your friend, Brutus.

My god. There are few fates worse than having to watch that entire Nebraska-Michigan football game. Just 2 totally inept offenses taking turns punting back and forth. Unfortunately, my wife is from Nebraska so I'm subjected to watching them regularly(unless Mizzou is playing at the same time)

That was a shitty, shitty football game. Those 2 teams are seriously terrible.

Damn, that fumble is probably going to come back and haunt LSU. That was a certain TD