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In a way, I feel you're correct. I'm likely never going to go out on the boat with anyone Ive met online and form a real life, interpersonal experience. But BoozeCube BoozeCube and I have revolved around the same circles since early EverQuest - Fennin Ro. I or him can generally link up in a game and immediately talk shit about how bad someone is in games. You know what else I do when I meet up with my Highschool buddy in real life for a beer? We talk shit about people.

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I also can see both aspects of what he is implying here. It's true that an online friend and real life friends aren't the same but that bridge between acquaintance and friend can maybe be harder to define at times. Sometimes it's just a vibe from different people that mesh well, I have a close friend of mine I've know since we were in grade school. Have done everything from being roommates, to going to each others weddings, god father to his kid, yet we sometimes don't even talk to each other for months at a time but whenever we do it's like it's only been yesterday that vibe or connection is just always there will always be there. - You can get that same shit via gaming communities at times too. As Daidraco Daidraco said we have played various games on and off over the years and at times when we're both interested in whatever the current game is can hop in discord and just shoot the shit about literally whatever. - There are plenty of people we all have played with other the years in these games various discords and shit but you don't always connect the same with every person. Shit there are many we've played with from EQ to PoE2 and the 30 years inbetween who have the personality of a fucking brick wall.

Also Fennin Ro was the best of the best when it came to server drama. Shit Everquest literally broke up families. People were literally giving up their ass cheeks for Aten Ha Ra loot, I don't see anyone fucking over current day WoW.

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Daidraco Daidraco is still right, though. Online buddies are fine and all, but they are not a valid substitute for RL friends. Even as an asocial autistic weirdo, I have made the effort to make some RL friends.
 
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Is ketamine typically used for depression?

A good friend of mine takes it pretty routinely. He seems happy but he's on an assortment of steroids and compounds..
It’s become more popular for treatment resistant depression. See esketamine.
 

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I even mentioned I'm not really sure what I want. Just someone checking in on me on occasion without me having to prompt first, I guess? Like, it's no secret to them that I'm struggling and feeling shitty. Would at least hope my family would be capable of doing that. And yeah, Khane's basically right, all my friends are just people I talk to online and have just sort of accumulated over the years. I haven't had friends in person since elementary school; one of the reasons I feel like something's just wrong with me. I tried getting out and around in college and joining clubs, etc. but still wasn't able to make any. Didn't really make any beyond regular acquaintances when I'd go to the game store to play magic. I seem to do fine making friends online. I've just always assumed it's my looks since that's the biggest difference I can think of between the online and the real. Honestly, I don't find myself having any desire to try and get out more and the idea of it just scares me at this point; I've been burned far too many times and I don't think I can handle it anymore.
Khane is being an asshole but he's not wrong, and MOST people don't have close friends when they are working adults. Single people who socialize outside a lot? Yea sure probably. Married working people with kids? Who has time for that shit.

Making and keeping friends is a process and its work. They're all complicated people. They all have their flaws and they're all going to have those periods where they piss you off. You shouldn't have to chase friends, but sometimes you do. And sometimes they chase you. But especially as an adult, what usually happens is the people who want to be your friends you perceive as losers, and the people you want to be friends with perceive YOU as the loser. So you're chasing people who don't want you while the people chasing you, you don't want. It's a pretty vicious cycle.

Having friends as an adult doesn't just happen. It's a process and it takes a long time and it's something you have to really want to do. If you're waiting for the friends to beat down your door and be like "Hey I want to be your friend, stop being grumpy!" you're going to be waiting a long time.
 
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For anyone interested, this book hits the point on this. While its focus is political, it hits home on the changes in our society. In fact, I think they made a documentary about it. This book was required reading in grad school.

Tldr: As society has moved away from regular in person social contact (bowling leagues, PTA, various lodges etc), it has really fucked people over.

Social media is like digital malaria, cancer and aids combined.
Is it bad I was also a Fennin Ro player?
Cant be that bad, I played on Solusek Ro.
 
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what usually happens is the people who want to be your friends you perceive as losers
This is actually a concern I have: that I'd put in effort into making friends just to realize that I don't like them and now I'm stuck with them.
 

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This is actually a concern I have: that I'd put in effort into making friends just to realize that I don't like them and now I'm stuck with them.
It’s easy to ditch people. It’s actually smart to keep cultivating friends all the time so you can filter out people and not be lonely. It’s easy to stop seeing people, it’s hard to start. Focus on the starting.
 
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It’s easy to ditch people. It’s actually smart to keep cultivating friends all the time so you can filter out people and not be lonely. It’s easy to stop seeing people, it’s hard to start. Focus on the starting.
The stopping seeing people just seems difficult to me. I don't want to have to deal with conflict or hurt feelings or whatever else. I don't like having to be mean to people potentially.
 

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This is actually a concern I have: that I'd put in effort into making friends just to realize that I don't like them and now I'm stuck with them.
While it's true that having no friends and having friends can both be problems, problems get a lot easier to fix when you focus on one at a time.
If "no friends" is the biggest problem today, then focus on fixing that. "Too many friends" is a problem Future Koushi can worry about.
 
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The stopping seeing people just seems difficult to me. I don't want to have to deal with conflict or hurt feelings or whatever else. I don't like having to be mean to people potentially.
Be busier. Play different games. Friendships are like plants, most require regular upkeep or they will fade away naturally. You aren't being mean if you let them fade.
 
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While it's true that having no friends and having friends can both be problems, problems get a lot easier to fix when you focus on one at a time.
If "no friends" is the biggest problem today, then focus on fixing that. "Too many friends" is a problem Future Koushi can worry about.
Also the pain or guilt of stopping talking to someone thats annoying is easier to deal with then the pain of being alone or lonely. There's always new people to meet. Generally you'll want to cultivate friends in your activities, whatever you do in your time, and then figure out which ones of those activity friends can cross over into a general friend. Not many can.
 
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It's tough when all the activities I enjoy are just online or solo hobbies. I mean, there was MtG, but that was always something I did together with the husband, never by myself. Overall, I'm a pretty boring person and just don't really deviate from the stuff I already enjoy. Yeah, occasionally I might try something on the side that seems fun, but I'm always ready to go right back to my usual entertainment. Even new games I've had to actually force myself into trying because I'd rather just be playing whatever I'm already playing. I'm not even sure what other hobbies or activities I would go try. I think I wanted to do a cake decorating class once? I've thought about maybe going back to school for meteorology, but the idea of moving across the country for a good program, spending a shitload of money and racking up 4 more years of student loans just to restart my career past 40 doing...idk, something weather related sounds like a pretty stupid idea. And even if I did get out there and try to meet people, there's still the entirely possible outcome of just never finding people who want to be friends with me. And every time that happens, it's just another piece of evidence showing my lack of worth to anyone else, so it's not without the risk of just making me feel even worse than I already do and making the next attempt that much harder.
 

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It's tough when all the activities I enjoy are just online or solo hobbies. I mean, there was MtG, but that was always something I did together with the husband, never by myself. Overall, I'm a pretty boring person and just don't really deviate from the stuff I already enjoy. Yeah, occasionally I might try something on the side that seems fun, but I'm always ready to go right back to my usual entertainment. Even new games I've had to actually force myself into trying because I'd rather just be playing whatever I'm already playing. I'm not even sure what other hobbies or activities I would go try. I think I wanted to do a cake decorating class once? I've thought about maybe going back to school for meteorology, but the idea of moving across the country for a good program, spending a shitload of money and racking up 4 more years of student loans just to restart my career past 40 doing...idk, something weather related sounds like a pretty stupid idea. And even if I did get out there and try to meet people, there's still the entirely possible outcome of just never finding people who want to be friends with me. And every time that happens, it's just another piece of evidence showing my lack of worth to anyone else, so it's not without the risk of just making me feel even worse than I already do and making the next attempt that much harder.
Once the dust settles and you are either in a new job or back with your parents or both, however it all works out with the divorce, start looking into new hobbies. Bowling leagues, volunteering at the animal shelter or old people shelter, book clubs, gyms, whatever. You have interests and hobbies outside of gaming. Just google groups near you for that hobby. Go do stuff. Talk to the other people doing that stuff. Next job you get, start talking to your coworkers. I have a few friends I meet every few months and we go get breakfvast and shoot the shit. If they didn't have families and responsibilities we would meet up more often. Work friends that became rl friends.
 
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Depression for me always seems to stim from people and not from solitude. I grew up mostly keeping to myself, constantly just reading, or wondering alone in the woods by my house. Being alone is what refreshes me normally, lets me more easily get in tune with myself and work shit out in my head without the pressure or expectations of others. That pressure and expectations from others is usually what leads to me getting down bad to begin with. I socialize very well, make friends far to easily, but I hate social pressure and group think bullshit. It wears me down over time and I find myself needing to take a long walk in the woods, or a day kayaking by myself to decompress and clear my head. My wife and daughter are probably the only two people on this planet I can be around near constantly, and even then, sometimes I've just got to get away for a bit, so I can be me and only me for at least a little while.

Koushirou Koushirou with your ex husbands impending move out being near completion, now is when you need to be the most on your toes. The finality of situations like this makes people do crazy shit and sometimes lose their minds. The second he is out, change the locks, or maybe even arrange a trip to see your family for a night or two. My youngest brother was murdered under similar circumstances because the ex of the woman he was seeing hit a wall when it all finally became "real". The biggest survivors guilt after his death for me has always been that a few months before it all happened, I had a talk with him about staying frosty around the guy. He assured me that they had talked it all out and he had the guys blessing, and I told him you never know what someone like that might do if they walk in on the wrong thing or how they'd feel down the road. They went through the divorce and it wasn't until they settled custody on the two kids that the shitfuck went off the deep end. I know it sounds crazy, but just be careful.
 
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I had a buddy I met in EQ - I'm talking early days of EQ. We actually met in High Pass running to freeport when we were way too low to be making that run. We played EQ until WoW came out, put a thousand hours into Borderlands, Payday, Civ, Dungeon Defenders, probably a bunch of other games I don't even remember. Gamed together for 18 years.

I got married, he didn't. I had 2 kids, he didn't. I got divorced and started working 70 hours a week. One day I was just exhausted and not in the mood for bullshit and told him I was gonna go play Gloomhaven with another buddy and he unfriended us both off Steam, deactivated his Threema account and he hasn't spoken to me since.

Online friends aren't real friends.
 
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I had a buddy I met in EQ - I'm talking early days of EQ. We actually met in High Pass running to freeport when we were way too low to be making that run. We played EQ until WoW came out, put a thousand hours into Borderlands, Payday, Civ, Dungeon Defenders, probably a bunch of other games I don't even remember. Gamed together for 18 years.

I got married, he didn't. I had 2 kids, he didn't. I got divorced and started working 70 hours a week. One day I was just exhausted and not in the mood for bullshit and told him I was gonna go play Gloomhaven with another buddy and he unfriended us both off Steam, deactivated his Threema account and he hasn't spoken to me since.

Online friends aren't real friends.
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I had a buddy I met in EQ - I'm talking early days of EQ. We actually met in High Pass running to freeport when we were way too low to be making that run. We played EQ until WoW came out, put a thousand hours into Borderlands, Payday, Civ, Dungeon Defenders, probably a bunch of other games I don't even remember. Gamed together for 18 years.

I got married, he didn't. I had 2 kids, he didn't. I got divorced and started working 70 hours a week. One day I was just exhausted and not in the mood for bullshit and told him I was gonna go play Gloomhaven with another buddy and he unfriended us both off Steam, deactivated his Threema account and he hasn't spoken to me since.

Online friends aren't real friends.
Plot twist, he had stopped playing and someone hijacked his steam and the pajeet yeeted you.

/asshole stopped in rq to see who the sad people were. Though Cad said something that struck one of my regrets. People that chase being friends with you. For a couple years at an Office I worked at, would always chat w/ UPS guy. Gave me his number to stay in touch when I went to the Sheriff. I got busy, nights, some RL drama, and other issues. And after a year had lost the number. Regret it to this day. Cool dude no homo, and would have been nice even if we hung out twice a year, because like many here, all my "RL friends and myself have moved and we just keep in touch on our own discord and occasional call/ once every 5 years or so cross paths and meet up.
 

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Depression hits everyone differently. I'm a very social person, my house is constantly full of friends and family. I appear to many as an extrovert. I'm not. I do enjoy being with friends, but I need down time, alone time, dark time. The last two days I've had a low-grade migraine. This happens sometimes after a prolonged period of social activity for me. Head hurts, body aches, want to sleep 100% of the time, don't appreciate anything in my life. It's hard on my wife. Somehow I don't manifest toward the kids, but she bears the brunt. She knows immediately what's going on, but she doesn't "tolerate" it. She helps me through it. Sometimes that means some very tough love. If I didn't have people in my life, I'd be consumed by my depression. Fortunately, with medication, therapy, and friends, plus 100% to my wife, I manage it.

Strangely tonight I had one of the most massive dumps I've ever had. My headache disappeared.
 
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Plot twist, he had stopped playing and someone hijacked his steam and the pajeet yeeted you.

/asshole stopped in rq to see who the sad people were. Though Cad said something that struck one of my regrets. People that chase being friends with you. For a couple years at an Office I worked at, would always chat w/ UPS guy. Gave me his number to stay in touch when I went to the Sheriff. I got busy, nights, some RL drama, and other issues. And after a year had lost the number. Regret it to this day. Cool dude no homo, and would have been nice even if we hung out twice a year, because like many here, all my "RL friends and myself have moved and we just keep in touch on our own discord and occasional call/ once every 5 years or so cross paths and meet up.

Almost had that happen with the guy who's best man at my wedding next week.

We met 25 years ago at UPS. He was an unloader, and I got hired off the street to work the sort line. He's 6'3" and back then was like 280, linebacker looking dude. Just a fucking ox. No one wanted to sort for him because he unloaded too fast, and no one could keep up. So me, the new guy, got stuck sorting for him. We became friends, he got a job building computer chips and he got me in too. We ran 5 machines in a fab 3/4 days a week, 12 hours a day. Was great. We'd come in at 6, set up the machines, he'd go on break from 7 to 8 while I ran the stuff, i'd go on break from 8 to 9, then we'd come back and set everything back up for an hour, and repeat the cycle. Easy work, pay was shit though, and I hated the job. I got a gig at one of the pop companies and brought him with me and his girlfriend started cheating on him - and by cheating on him, I mean with like dudes in fucking Kansas (we're in MN). So she'd just ditch him with the kid all weekend, he's got this new job but can't leave his kid alone, so attendance got to him fast and they fired him. Then he got super depressed with all that and crashed his truck and had his house foreclosed on and he stopped talking to us, probably just fucking ashamed of the whole situation. Became more and more isolated and you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. He was never a tech guy, never got into the social media shit, didn't have a cell phone for the longest time - fucker just up and disappeared, and how are you ever gonna find someone like that again.

Like 8-10 years go by I was taking my kids to the sister in laws one day and was waiting to merge and this dude was just sitting right next to me. Same speed, id slow down, he'd slow down. I speed up, he speeds up. Some small car - I drive a Ram and wasnt looking that hard. I finally get pissed and look over and there he is, trying to get my attention. Unreal. I couldn't process everything that was happening fast enough, while driving 65mph. Had to get the kids over there - i was late or something, so we exchanged some glances - me very puzzled, and him super excited, but then I had to exit and that was that.

Thought about that for years, how crazy that situation was. Got divorced and all of a sudden I had a ton of time on my hands, and no friends to hang with. Problem was that he has a super common first name, super common last name, and I know his house got foreclosed on. No clue how to find a guy like that. I ended up using one of those white pages people search thing outta boredom one night and I got a hit of an address across town. Use the state property tax lookups and the address is registered to some gal named Tina. Punch Tina into facebook and low and behold - there's a picture of the 2 of them.

I literally sent him a fucking letter. In the mail. Snail mail. With my address and phone number. Turns out he found this Tina broad at rock bottom and she was at rock bottom too and they've been together since. He got himself a job as a machinst, making great money, life is good again, and all he needed was some friends. He saw me on the freeway a few years ago and thought it might have been my truck (been driving the same one for 21 years) and got super excited, but he had somewhere to be too, and we couldn't exchange much information at 65mph.

Now he's the best man at my wedding. It's also why my gf isn't allowed to post pictures of us on facebook. Still no pictures of me on the internet - cuz I gotta fire a lotta motherfuckers, and I don't need one of them showing up at the door!
 
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