GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

I've avoided this show for years because I knew I'd be hooked and I didn't want another distraction at the time. Well, I have the summer off with loads of free time right now, so I binge-watched this whole series over the past week and just finished the final episode of season 5 about 10 minutes ago. I like this show, but I hate it at the same time. Moral of the story: don't get attached to anyone cuz they're gonna die. Also, I found season 5 to be fairly boring and a let down from the previous ones.

Seaons 5 did not "suck" it just was not as exciting as 1-4. I think at this point we all want them to get to the damn fireworks factory already.

Good. I've avoided info on this show altogether, so I'm just now reading through this thread to see what people thought. There's something satisfying about watching 5 years worth of episodes in a week. I was really shocked about Sean Bean. With all the memes about his character I wasn't expecting him to go out in the first season. I thought he was gonna be the central dude that held the show together. HAH.....

the reason for killing jon on the show was much dumber than it should have been due to the lack of the pink letter. without that and him wanting the nights watch to rescue "arya" it turned killing jon as saving the night's watch from another's fools errand into killing jon because they were butthurt over the wildlings

That's a good point. Can someone other than Chuk make it so I can agree with it?

you could just pull a a_skeleton_03 and claim i stole that from a youtube video/wikipedia page.

and i actually do think they were planning for a pink letter situation because stannis gets settled early on. sansa escapes with theon and mel shows up at the wall. many believe she wrote the pink letter on stannis's orders. but for some reason they scrapped it all at the last second and inserted the silly benjen subterfuge. maybe if they did the pink letter it might be too spoilery as to who wrote it and why.

chaos_sl said:

But Olly is just emotional, he's a kid, you can't expect him to weigh all of those consequences. All he knows is that not just any Wildling, but the exact Wildling that his mentor has taken to hanging out with, murdered everyone he knew.

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I figured he'd have more hatred for the Thenn leader that joined Tormund's band who basically let him live while telling him he was going to cook and eat his parents later that night.

The same Thenn that Jon went toe to toe with in the battle against the Wildlings at Castle Black.

The same battle where Jon fought the Wildings, to protect the Night's Watch.

The same battle in which Olly killed Jon's love, after which Jon forgave him and gave him a valuable position, because he knows the score in the big picture.

Agreed Olly is a kid and emotional, but damn shit should have been smacking him in the face what he was being shown by the man he looked up to.

Merrith_sl said:

I figured he'd have more hatred for the Thenn leader that joined Tormund's band who basically let him live while telling him he was going to cook and eat his parents later that night.

The same Thenn that Jon went toe to toe with in the battle against the Wildlings at Castle Black.

The same battle where Jon fought the Wildings, to protect the Night's Watch.

The same battle in which Olly killed Jon's love, after which Jon forgave him and gave him a valuable position, because he knows the score in the big picture.

Agreed Olly is a kid and emotional, but damn shit should have been smacking him in the face what he was being shown by the man he looked up to.

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I mean, the point is that pretty much everyone in Westeros is stupid and short sighted. The long view/big picture people are few and far between, and tend to get killed by the stupid instant gratification people.

Gavinmad_sl said:

I mean, the point is that pretty much everyone in Westeros is stupid and short sighted. The long view/big picture people are few and far between, and tend to get killed by the stupid instant gratification people.

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Yeah, this is true. Probably why the show loves showing how Littlefinger owns them all playing the long game.

Well, Littlefinger came pretty damn close to having his throat cut by the Kingsguard when he tried to be clever with Cersei. She tried to be a long view type but she was just too fucking dumb to keep it together. I'd definitely say Littlefinger learned a lesson in being a bit more circumspect though.

Gavinmad_sl said:

Well, Littlefinger came pretty damn close to having his throat cut by the Kingsguard when he tried to be clever with Cersei. She tried to be a long view type but she was just too fucking dumb to keep it together. I'd definitely say Littlefinger learned a lesson in being a bit more circumspect though.

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Yes, stay away from the really crazy bitch.

Edit: Or at the very least, when she finally comes calling go really fast and try to placate her completely.

Ding ding.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

I suppose there was also an "oysters, clams and cockles" merchant

I'm waiting for either a bonfire Shireen or Ser Too Old.

Slaythe_sl said:

It is a really good point, because in the book the rest of the Watch just kind of begrudging goes along with Jon's plans for the wildlings, and while they're sour and he doesn't make a lot of friends doing it, the whole group doesn't turn on him until he makes the decision to march on Winterfell, which is absolutely against his vows. His brothers then kill him while in tears, as they couldn't allow him to reinsert himself into the matters of the realm. That's not what the Night Watch is about.

His death is telegraphed so it's not as shocking while reading it as some other moments of the series were, but I definitely think you walk away from it with some understanding of the internal conflict. The Night's watch didn't want to kill Jon, they had to.

Jon's death in the show is pretty hollow. Hey, we just have tons of eye witness accounts about an army of 20 thousand wildlings being created by the walkers, but screw that let's get 5 of us together to stab Jon in the back because we still hate wildlings more than anything.

It was lazy. I would call what happened in the book pretty lazy too but not anywhere close to the show.

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Which is funny, considering how many other vows the NW breaks on the reg. I get that inserting themselves into the political affairs of the families/Kingdom would be bigger than banging whores at Mole's Town, but most of them can't be completely ignorant to the fact that aside from Stannis, no one has given a fuck about their plight and are actively fucking over any future defense/help with their bullshit down South. Even Stannis is pretty obvious about the fact that he really had nowhere else to go for support, and his future commitment to fight the WW/Others seems more about him fulfilling what he believes is his destiny to be the Chosen One/King.

The only thing I get about Alliser Thorne still being in on killing him even after seeing Jon lead during the Battle at the Wall, after Jon made him First Ranger, etc, etc, dumb reasons to kill him...Thorne has always known Jon is a capable leader, and hazing aside if he was a good person worried at all first and foremost about the duty of the NW he would have put all his dislike aside. Thorne knows at heart Jon isn't a traitor, he's seen too much evidence of him wanting to defend the Wall. Even as the Wildlings are marching through Castle Black he remarks to Jon (from the show) that he has a good heart, but that it'll be the death of them all. He simply can't put aside his hatred of the Wildlings and his dislike for Jon enough to trust in the greater good.

Slaythe_sl said:

It is a really good point, because in the book the rest of the Watch just kind of begrudging goes along with Jon's plans for the wildlings, and while they're sour and he doesn't make a lot of friends doing it, the whole group doesn't turn on him until he makes the decision to march on Winterfell, which is absolutely against his vows. His brothers then kill him while in tears, as they couldn't allow him to reinsert himself into the matters of the realm. That's not what the Night Watch is about.

His death is telegraphed so it's not as shocking while reading it as some other moments of the series were, but I definitely think you walk away from it with some understanding of the internal conflict. The Night's watch didn't want to kill Jon, they had to.

Jon's death in the show is pretty hollow. Hey, we just have tons of eye witness accounts about an army of 20 thousand wildlings being created by the walkers, but screw that let's get 5 of us together to stab Jon in the back because we still hate wildlings more than anything.

It was lazy. I would call what happened in the book pretty lazy too but not anywhere close to the show.

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Man that's a good point. I agree with it.