GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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Chukzombi
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"for the watch" also makes no sense in the show without the pink letter. he already let the wildlings in. they could have said "fuck you jon snow, we dont trust the wildlings so we arent opening the gates" but thorne decides to open the gates and let everyone in. at that point thorne was just as responsible for endangering the lives of the NW as Jon. so why kill jon? they needed a reason to say, 'aww hell naww' and turn on him. there was none. im guessing that something was cut out, maybe wunwun goes apeshit or the pink letter does arrive and that stuff was cut out due to time constraints.
You know it is pure shit from a wiki or a YouTube when there is a color in front of it.
Pink letter .... Fucking Astr0creep
Pink letter .... Fucking Astr0creep
Merrith
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When you think about it, the show kind of rushed the entire Jon plot line this season. Everything at the Wall really. Hardhome was fucking great, and a good change to have a first person account of that along with seeing NK/WW's there. Otherwise though his whole elevation to Commander felt fast, even Sam's eventual trip to become a Maester was kind of rushed. Really wish for important seasons they could have gotten more than 10 episodes, although there were enough complaints about this season being slow anyways another 5 episodes might have made for some dull weeks.
Gavinmad
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I get why Internet theorists latched onto it like it matters Gayvinrad ....
It's the realm of retards to latch onto these red herrings and give them catchy colored titles and blow them out of proportion though. They do it because they type it 100 times a day in forum arguments and Ramsay's letter is so many more letters than pink letter. Then they get to buttfuck the newbies that show up in a thread not remembering the exact color of the sealing wax used when it is mentioned exactly once in 4 books.
It's the realm of retards to latch onto these red herrings and give them catchy colored titles and blow them out of proportion though. They do it because they type it 100 times a day in forum arguments and Ramsay's letter is so many more letters than pink letter. Then they get to buttfuck the newbies that show up in a thread not remembering the exact color of the sealing wax used when it is mentioned exactly once in 4 books.
Astr0 said it so probably not. Mainly cause he is such an Internet theorist with no basis in reality just regurgitating things he read somewhere or watched on YouTube.
Chukzombi
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you really should preview your posts before posting them. its not true because its referenced on wiki or youtube?
chaos
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Yeah it makes it seem like Ser Alliser had some grand scheme in mind here rather than it being a reaction to Jon being out of touch with his people. In the book I get the impression that for the most part the watch thinks he is a jerkoff, but the Watch is also not real smart and fought Jon on every single common sense initiative he made. No telling, I guess.
Gavinmad
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I mean yeah the Watch being comprised almost entirely of the dregs of society who took the black to avoid a death sentence certainly doesn't help matters, but in the books the mutiny makes sense. Going off to war with the Boltons to save Mance was a profoundly stupid plan that probably would have had all sorts of bad things happen to the Watch afterwards.
Killing Jon just for letting the Wildlings through the Wall was stupid and made very little sense, but you can handwave most of it away with the stupid dregs of society excuse.
Killing Jon just for letting the Wildlings through the Wall was stupid and made very little sense, but you can handwave most of it away with the stupid dregs of society excuse.
Royal
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If you think the Wildlings are still a threat, killing Jon at the point they did in the show is one of the worst things you can do, because it's his relationship with Tormund and the Wildlings in general as the Crow that cared enough to help them that will be the biggest factor in controlling them going forward. Without him, what's the plan now? A 2 front war with the Wildlings at your backside and the Walkers riding death down on you from the front?
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As a non book reader, I very much got the impression that they were stabbing him because they'd all been sitting around the table asking each other, "What's next? What kind of crazier shit is he going to pull?"
Combined with Lord Commander Not-Jon-Snow talking about "good men get us all killed" it came across as a pre-emptive defense murder. "For the Watch".
It also came across as stupid, because Ser Not-Jon-Snow does not seem to be as competent as Jon Snow. Brave, yes. Devoted, he's probably MORE devoted. Smart? Not so much. Competent. Not really.
Combined with Lord Commander Not-Jon-Snow talking about "good men get us all killed" it came across as a pre-emptive defense murder. "For the Watch".
It also came across as stupid, because Ser Not-Jon-Snow does not seem to be as competent as Jon Snow. Brave, yes. Devoted, he's probably MORE devoted. Smart? Not so much. Competent. Not really.
Merrith
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Oh fuck yes, my body is ready. It better not be some 60 second scene either. Do it justice.To add fuel to the Tower of Joy flashback fire. A new confirmed season 6 shooting location.
Siliconemelons
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While adding in the pink/bastard letter book info and other book info - set as it was - then yes the stabbing was dumb as given... Going by show only it works in the realm of how the show has shown the NW thus far... it was built up that Sam + Jon have lost a lot of trust... yes it is kind of odd that Former LC opened the gate and THEN was like "nm, stabby" but as presented by the show I think it was done all right... also I think it may have been better if it was just Olly that shanked him as they where building that up quite well.
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I still describe it as hollow, but I don't really mind it. Thing is, it was a dumb move by the rest of the NW in either scenario. In the books Jon just got all the wildlings riled up after announcing the news that the Boltons had captured Mance and has their all of them behind him to march on Winterfell. I can't really imagine any scenario but the Watch just getting obliterated by that mass of wildlings in the book.
In the show he's definitely won Tormund's favor. I don't know if that's enough for a full on wildling revolt though.
All in all I think Jon's death is dumb in both situations, just that in the book you at least get some kind of understanding of the internal conflict the rest of the Watch goes through when they make that decision. In the show they're just assholes stuck in tradition that decide to mutiny. It's a significant distinction, just ultimately won't end up mattering to the overall story. It's just more of the level of detail the show runners don't really care about.
In the show he's definitely won Tormund's favor. I don't know if that's enough for a full on wildling revolt though.
All in all I think Jon's death is dumb in both situations, just that in the book you at least get some kind of understanding of the internal conflict the rest of the Watch goes through when they make that decision. In the show they're just assholes stuck in tradition that decide to mutiny. It's a significant distinction, just ultimately won't end up mattering to the overall story. It's just more of the level of detail the show runners don't really care about.