yeah, he's dead. Is there confusion on this? both tv and books he's dead. didn't realize this was a point of contention.Orly?
If I wasn't clear, when I say I'mnot readyto call Jon "elitetier" yet, and only upper/top tier maybe...I'm not calling him elite.Just to play devil's advocate, who is he training with that makes him elite? To pick an example, someone like Selmy trained under the best swordsmen in Westeros, same with Jaime Lannister or any of the Kingsguard before Robert died. I could practice swinging a sword at a dummy for three years, it wouldn't make me a swordsman.
He was the first iteration of the faceless man who is training Arya.yeah, he's dead. Is there confusion on this? both tv and books he's dead. didn't realize this was a point of contention.
Episode shoulda ended on Jon's face during the staredown.
Wildling lady was hot. Was serious feels moment when she ended up facing Lord of the Flies. She couldn't bring herself to hurt them because they were kids. Hardhome wasn't in the books other than offscene mention, so this was totally free form other than Jon trying to speechify the wildlings into helping fight the White Walkers. Glad the show has gone off the rails now, because that shit was awesome.
Jon is only Elite because he is holding a +5 Vorpal blade of Undead slaying that has a 25% chance to break other swords on a 18-20 dice roll.
The only fair fight for him is Brienne of Tarth and i would put my money on Brienne winning that fight.
Funny thing is that sword he has should have really gone to Jorah and not Jon.
It seems like the First Men probably were the white walkers. The race of "Man" south of the wall were their subject race, and they run-ded as far as their little wildling feets would carry them. And then eventually they found some dragonses and built a giant fucking ice wall. The walkers, being bound to winter on account of their deep mysteries and necromongery, can only pursue vengeance, conquest, and fresh slaves intermittently. But when winter creeps south -- they arethe shit.Tormund said a curious thing to me during the episode. He mentioned that Mance had spent 20 years allying the wildling clans. In the show Mance specifically tells Jon that he wants his people to hide behind "your wall" and that he was only able to ally the clans because if they didn't then they were dead. Does anyone else think that Mance and some of the Wildlings were aware that the White Walkers were building strength for this long before shit like this started happening (or even the prologue of the series)? This does make some sense as well, with Osha escaping South due to White Walkers in Season 1.
To me, this just makes Mance a more awesome character and gives more scope to the situation. Other people have speculated that the White Walkers aren't likely to be outright evil. But work along some strange or incomprehensible rules that man is unaware of. One of the fan theories I liked was that Man had broken some kind of pact that we've forgotten and they are giving us our due.
That being said, fucking spectacular episode.
Thats why I mentioned his strength earlier, he has show to be pretty fucking strong when he gets in rage modePeople forget that Jon is a warg
I read a tinfoil theory on reddit that said "what if the white walkers can travel underwater and send a few and they make it to blackwater bay. Kings landing would be fuckSo zombies can run and use swords effectively, but water stops them cold.
This is what I thought was going to happen when the Night King raised his arms. Pretty sure the water up to the boat was going to freeze, zombies rush towards helpless occupants, fade to black, good night sweet prince. I don't mind being wrong.why didnt that ngr just freeze the water I mean he can raise the dead. freezing water to much to ask and I guess that storm snowstorm shit was just a coincidence.