So I am really good at jaina and I thought I would buy kaelthas and try him out. I cannot figure out how to do well with this character. I know the right talents to take, I know how he is supposed to be played, but for some reason I just can't seem to put it together. I can play jaina and almost never die but all my kaelthas games are death fests.
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Man I got spoiled by DOTA's system of being able to leave of match once someone is disconnected for 5 minutes. I lost 3 games tonight because someone was disconnected the entire time, never even there. You have a 0% chance to win a match with a bot on your team at diamond mmr. Might as well have just alt tabbed and read forums.
Disagree. Heavily. Get your tier lists out of here because outside of a very select few heroes none are glaringly terrible. I'd rather someone 1st pick Lili if that is their absolute best hero than fumble their way though feeding with KT because the tier list states he should be the first pick. It is a bad mentality. Trying to apply the highly competitive pro scene to your rank 20 HL matchup is absolutely stupid. You can gain massive advantages by outright being a better player than the opponent. Tier lists are designed to try and edge out advantages because you expect your opponent to be equally skilled and equally intelligent and the idea of outplaying is largely thrown out the window. That does not apply here.
Played a game last night where I could swear the Lili on our team was a bot. Split push the whole game, never was in a team fight.
Players like that are worse than bots. At least the bot you can ping and it will follow you around like a lost puppy. Real life people who refuse to group for team fights are far more worthless.
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If lili is your only good hero, don't play HL. Go practice more in QM with other heroes. You should have at least 5 heroes you can competantly play. IMHO
I'd argue you need 3 of each role but just because Zuna has decided that this hero works out best on the best NA team doesn't mean that it applies to amateur hour as well. People that bitch about tier level picks or where heroes are picked in HL rustle my jimmies. The only time it is really valid is if you're picking in the latter waves and your team requires a role and you yolo pick Nova instead of filling.
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Had a couple of lili's lately take water dragon as solo healer, people that chose to pick lili, not stuck with the support role. Needless to say the team with the water dragon lili lost both times.
It would be nice if we could see our stats with all our heroes. Got to play a game as zagara last night, something that rarely happens because fuck playing specialists, and she is such a fun hero imo. I'd like to see my record with her because I want to say I'm like 4-0 with zagara in hero league. Landing a solid maw is truly terrifying for the enemy team and the sound effect is great.
It would be nice if we could see our stats with all our heroes. Got to play a game as zagara last night, something that rarely happens because fuck playing specialists, and she is such a fun hero imo. I'd like to see my record with her because I want to say I'm like 4-0 with zagara in hero league. Landing a solid maw is truly terrifying for the enemy team and the sound effect is great.
Every LiLi I have ever grouped with has attempted to solo and doesn't heal. When I play against a LiLi they're beast mode. We just had a Tyrael rage after losing our first team fight, he played solo bot the rest of the game, never joined a team fight or objectives. Funny part is we would have one with his help.
I had a Rank1 Nazeebo the other day in HL purposefully stay in lane despite "Danger" pings because they were rotating off mid and he said he ignored the pings because "I hate worthless pings"
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3 of each role is overkill. Mind you, im not against Lili filling a role, I have done it plenty of times. What I am against is Lili being picked with the first pick. What I am also against is someone picking a low tier fill role with the first pick because the guy picking last showed KT(which you are good at) as his pick, and you are trying to be nice by not picking it. Meanwhile, he is picked up by the other team. That shit actually happens.
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Not gonna lie I get a little bummed when someone doesn't take a high value pick. While there aren't any outright unplayable heroes, the demoralizing effect it has on the team is what usually makes it worse. Not always the case, but usually people playing low tier heroes are doing so because they don't know any better meaning they don't know anything about the game and will cost you the game. For every sonya/gazlowe/murky pick I've had that knew what they were doing there are 10 others picking those heroes and its obvious within the first 5 minutes of the game they know nothing about the game they are playing. You lock one of those heroes and ppl are going to assume you're "trolling" and likely not try as hard.
With as many interrupts as have been making their way into most teams lately it can be better to take the dragon than to take 1k jugs that will get interrupted almost immediately. Particularly nasty lately has been Johanna, because normally if you are close enough to have your team in the AE heal you are close enough for johanna to condemn and interrupt it.
I don't see how 3 per role is overkill. It is pretty much required. If you are 5th picking and you need to fill support but your support depth consists entirely of Malfurion and he got picked on the other team whats the plan? Outside of assassins you rarely see 3 roles per team but you often see 2. If they go Muradin + Tyrael and you're 5th picking and need to fill tank and those are the only two you can play then your team is fucked. If they go Muradin + Tyrael + ETC and those are your 3 and you need to fill then whatever the opposing team is fucked already.
Jugs has a massive AOE. Probably like 3x that of Condemn. I'm not a huge Lili fan because I don't think she brings enough to the table to ever take her over like an Uther or BW but if you're smart with your positioning you can easily get the majority of your Jugs to complete. If they all-in to stop it then chances are they dove hard and your team can get the pick off. One exception is Muradin where he completely shuts Lili down. And since Muradin is currently a high value tank if he's available or if your opponent took him then you simply can't go Lili. Lili's biggest issue is the fact that she offers no support other than healing where other supports offer similar if not better healing but also strong CC.
Oh yeah and her waveclear is beyond abysmal
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Unless you're playing rank 1's, if your channeled ult keeps getting interrupted you're doing something wrong.
As tenks said the only thing lili brings to the table is her massive rapid healing. The last lili had 17k healing at the end of the game, 17k healing may as well not even had a support and tried split pushing with another specialist or burst with another assassin.
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Basically, if you can something like 2-2-2-1. I think that is when you can start effectively playing hero league. Ideally you should continue to practice with high tier heroes you are not good at bringing yourself to or past your 3 per role. That's just my opinion though.