Poll khalid approval rating

Do you approve of the job khalid is doing as moderator?

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Kiroy

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Amazon.com: Flim-Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions (9780879751982): James Randi, Isaac Asimov: Books

Has a chapter on all the bullshit that went around the scientific testing of PSI by Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff.

I haven't read it but also another book that supposedly covers this is...

The Men Who Stare at Goats - Wikipedia

Ya i'm not going to spend much time, but skimming some of the crest stuff, a lot of it is just translations of foreign documents / research and shit, but since they throw CIA on top of the translation, omg it's a cia document.
 

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One thing I do find a bit interesting, there is very little discussion about the document dump and documents themselves on reddit. Figured that would be the first place a bunch of folks would pop off and deep dive into this shit.
 

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http://deanradin.com/evidence/Radin2006reexaminingPK.pdf

H. Bo¨sch, F. Steinkamp, and E. Boller’s (2006) review of the evidence for psychokinesis confirms many of the authors’ earlier findings. The authors agree with Bo¨sch et al. that existing studies provide statistical evidence for psychokinesis, that the evidence is generally of high methodological quality, and that effect sizes are distributed heterogeneously. Bo¨sch et al. postulated the heterogeneity is attributable to selective reporting and thus that psychokinesis is “not proven.” However, Bo¨sch et al. assumed that effect size is entirely independent of sample size. For these experiments, this assumption is incorrect; it also guarantees heterogeneity. The authors maintain that selective reporting is an implausible explanation for the observed data and hence that these studies provide evidence for a genuine psychokinetic effect

http://deanradin.com/evidence/Radin2006RNG.pdf

Abstract-Experiments suggesting the existence of mind-matter interaction (MMI) effects on the outputs of random number generators (RNG) have been criticized based on the questionable assumption that MMI effects operate uniformly on each random bit, independent of the number of bits used per sample, the rate at which bits are generated, or the psychological conditions of the task. This "influence-per-bit" assumption invariably leads to the conclusion that the significant cumulative results of these experiments, as demonstrated in meta-analyses, are due not to MMI effects but rather to publication biases. We discuss why this assumption is doubtful, and why publication bias and other common criticisms of MMI-RNG studies are implausible.

http://deanradin.com/evidence/Radin2006MarkovRNG.pdf

Abstract—Three models of mind-matter interaction (MMI) in random number generators (RNGs) were tested. One model assumes that MMI is a forward-time causal influence, a second assumes that MMI is due to present-time exploitation of precognitive information, and a third assumes that MMI is a retrocausal influence. A pilot test and a planned replication study provided significant evidence for MMI, allowing the models to be tested. The outcomes suggest that MMI effects on RNGs are better accounted for by a backwards-in-time rather than a forward-in-time process. Whether this finding will generalize to other experimental designs and MMI phenomena is unknown, but it raises the possibility that teleological pulls from the future may sometimes influence present-time decisions and events. This raises questions about commonly used scientific methodologies and assumptions.
http://deanradin.com/evidence/Radin2008MichelsonInt.pdf

http://deanradin.com/evidence/Radin2008MichelsonInt.pdf

This study explored the hypothesis that in some cases intuitive knowledge arises from perceptions that are not mediated through the ordinary senses. The possibility of detecting such nonlocal observation was investigated in a pilot test based on the effects of observation on a quantum system. Participants were asked to imagine that they could intuitively perceive a low-intensity laser beam in a distant Michelson interferometer. If such observation were possible, it would theoretically perturb the photons’ quantum wave functions and change the pattern of light produced by the interferometer. The optical apparatus was located inside a light-tight, double-steel walled, shielded chamber. Participants sat quietly outside the chamber with eyes closed. The light patterns were recorded by a cooled digital camera once per second, and average illumination levels of these images were compared in counterbalanced mental blocking versus nonblocking conditions. By design, perturbation would produce a lower overall level of illumination, which was predicted to occur during the blocking condition. Based on a series of planned experimental sessions, the outcome was in accordance with the prediction (z 2.82; P .002). This result was primarily due to nine sessions involving experienced meditators (combined z 4.28; P 9.4 106 ); the other nine sessions with nonmeditators were not significant (combined z 0.29; P .61). The same experimental protocol run immediately after 15 of these test sessions, but with no one present, revealed no hardware or protocol artifacts that might have accounted for these results (combined control z 1.50; P .93). Conventional explanations for these results were considered and judged to be implausible. This pilot study suggests the presence of a nonlocal perturbation effect that is consistent with traditional concepts of intuition as a direct means of gaining knowledge about the world, and with the predicted effects of observation on a quantum system.
 
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http://deanradin.com/evidence/Schmidt1987.pdf

Abstract-This paper discusses evidence for a psychokinetic effect acting on chance events. Emphasis is laid on psychokinetic action on pre-recorded random processes and its interpretation in terms of two general hypotheses, the weak violation hypothesis, and the equivalence hypothesis. These hypotheses imply that psychokinesis can act on the outcome of indeterministic quantum events only, and that, basically, all such events are affected to the same degree.
 

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Amazon.com: Flim-Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions (9780879751982): James Randi, Isaac Asimov: Books

Has a chapter on all the bullshit that went around the scientific testing of PSI by Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff.

I haven't read it but also another book that supposedly covers this is...

The Men Who Stare at Goats - Wikipedia

A book written in 1982 before most of the research into PSI was conducted or publicly available.

And

A BBC documentary on the 1995 Star Gate release, where the CIA said "Oh yeah, we've been studying this shit and it doesn't work. LOL. What a load of shit no one should investigate this stuff trust us, ok? (Secretly starts a dozen new projects)"

Convincing.
 

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The documents I've been posting were FOIA requests that were released last week, showing that the CIA had conclusive proof PSI was real and were continuing their reasearch after the 1995 (disclosure). The reason being, the inherited all of the Defense Intelligence Agencies programs in 1992, which were all public.
 

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And they needed to dismiss it to continue research under new secret project names.
 

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A book written in 1982 before most of the research into PSI was conducted or publicly available.

Flim-flam discusses at length why scientists are often so easily fooled by PSI researchers. Professional magicians are essentially professional con-men. Uri Geller and the like was able to easily fool them because they weren't expecting their test subjects to actively try to fool them, as well as having no understanding of sleight-of-hand and the like. So it is absolutely relevant and why you have to be deeply skeptical of that research.

The book also shows how the scientific papers written on the subject might have sounded legit, but actually ignored pretty much all guidelines as well as making shit up.
 

Kiroy

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Flim-flam discusses at length why scientists are often so easily fooled by PSI researchers. Professional magicians are essentially professional con-men. Uri Geller and the like was able to easily fool them because they weren't expecting their test subjects to actively try to fool them, as well as having no understanding of sleight-of-hand and the like. So it is absolutely relevant and why you have to be deeply skeptical of that research.

The book also shows how the scientific papers written on the subject might have sounded legit, but actually ignored pretty much all guidelines as well as making shit up.

This is a good movie related to this, pure fiction but still fun.

Red Lights (2012) - IMDb
 

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Flim-flam discusses at length why scientists are often so easily fooled by PSI researchers. Professional magicians are essentially professional con-men. Uri Geller and the like was able to easily fool them because they weren't expecting their test subjects to actively try to fool them, as well as having no understanding of sleight-of-hand and the like. So it is absolutely relevant and why you have to be deeply skeptical of that research.

The book also shows how the scientific papers written on the subject might have sounded legit, but actually ignored pretty much all guidelines as well as making shit up.

Are you going to read any of the journal articles I'm posting, or are you going to continue to stick your head in the sand praying to James Randi to save you froom spoopy science you don't want to accept?
 
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Himeo

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Pro-tip: The list of Peer-Reviewed articles I posted have Randi-fag papers making your same tired argument, which are then countered by further papers adjusting the results and still showing the effect exists.
 
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Are you going to read any of the journal articles I'm posting, or are you going to continue to stick your head in the sand praying to James Randi to save you froom spoopy science you don't want to accept?

Of course I'm not going to bother reading your articles. The abstracts of some of those absolutely scream "woo". They throw around quantum because it sounds cool and spooky and then use it justify absurdity. You may be too stupid to tell the difference, but I'm not.

When you have something published in a current reputable journal, then we can talk.
 

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Khalid, the resident atheist, refuses to accept the results of decades of scientific research because it makes him feel bad.
 
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Btw, for those that didn't even bother to click his links, many of them are from the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

From the wiki on the journal "Skeptic Robert Sheaffer writes that the SSE journal has published articles implying that certain topics, like paranormal activities, dowsing and reincarnation, are true and have been verified scientifically. The articles, often written in impressive jargon by scientists with impressive academic credentials, try to convince other scientists that further research into those topics is warranted; but, Sheaffer argues, those articles failed to convince the mainstream scientific community. [2].

It is fringe woo science of the type that Deepak Chopra regularly throws around. Convincing only to people that see the word "quantum" and turn off their critical faculties.
 

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"Those articles failed to convince the mainstream scientific community."

You know, this is why you rely on data and not logical fallacies like Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia

Being such a logical person, I'm surprised you'd make an obvious mistake like that.
 
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They failed to convince people, is why I don't take them seriously. They failed to convince people because PSI research is filled with shoddy testing and straight up scamming mixed with bullshit.

He is really understating the case though, as even a cursoury glance over some of those abstracts its clear many of those are total bullshit.

Those papers are about on the same level as
Sokal affair - Wikipedia

except at least that paper was intentionally a fraud.