Marriage and the Power of Divorce

iannis

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From what i've heard staying together for the kids is a big deal till they out of the house. I'm pretty sure kids from broken homes statistically don't do well.

I know it's sarcastic but I don't think these two people could even be civil to each other anymore. If the wife is being like that in public she's being worse in private. Watching an abusive adult relationship is probably just as bad for a kid as being in a divorced home.
 

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The beauty of ancestry.com and other services is that you can find the relatives of the child pretty easily from DNA since so many people are in it now and through associations you can probably identify the real father if it isn't you.
This is how I recently found out that my brother is just my half brother.
 
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From what i've heard staying together for the kids is a big deal till they out of the house. I'm pretty sure kids from broken homes statistically don't do well.
Kids with shitty parents don't do well.

Far better to divorce than to teach your kids a toxic, failed marriage is what you should aim for.
 
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Aldarion

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Number of stable, well adjusted women I've ever met who came from a divorced home: 0
Number of women I've met who had shitty parents: lots. most?

Trying to argue from theory about which one "should" be worse for kids is one thing, but when I look at the evidence I have a hard time escaping the conclusion that divorce fucks kids up.
 
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I mean all the women I’ve dated came from not divorced homes and I’m running at like a 6% not crazy ratio.

IE: your sample size is too small.
 

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Pathetic.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. It really means a lot to me.

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Aldarion

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I mean all the women I’ve dated came from not divorced homes and I’m running at like a 6% not crazy ratio.

IE: your sample size is too small.
You misread my post.

All women I've known from divorced homes are unstable and crazy, specifically when it comes to relationships with men.

Some small fraction of women I've known from intact families are marginally less crazy.

Zero versus a small fraction is a difference.
 

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You misread my post.

All women I've known from divorced homes are unstable and crazy, specifically when it comes to relationships with men.

Some small fraction of women I've known from intact families are marginally less crazy.

Zero versus a small fraction is a difference.

I didn’t misread anything. I’m proposing the exact opposite experience, which is what I’ve had.

And that both our sample sizes are too small to make an accurate observation in regard to the matter.

In the long run though, concerning children, I think it’s best to keep them out of a house that’s full of passive aggression, anger, hatred and possibly physical abuse rather than keep them in it “for the sake of the kids”. How is it bennificial to keep them around constant anger, pain and violence while growing up when it can completely alter their personalities and outlook on life? To me, it’s not.
 

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In all seriousness, yes, our sample sizes are too small to draw statistically significant conclusions.

I just dont think that means we should return to pointless theorycrafting abut which one "should" be better or worse for kids.
 

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It's hard to know. You'd need to identify 4 groups. Divorce/Not Divorce, Shitty Parenting/Not Shitty Parenting. Defining shit parenting is something that would be hard to do in a survey with a large enough sample size to be interesting. In a way, defining marriage would be too. What about couples that are that old school commonlaw married but never wanted to shell out the fifteen bucks for a marriage license? Do they count? Maybe they should.

Not Divorce Not Shitty parenting has got to have the best outcomes and Divorced/Shitty the worst. The question is where do the other 2 fall? It's not immediately obvious to me. Bad/Good might be better than Good/Bad. At least there's probably wiggle room. Which is a useful thing on an individual level.
 

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In all seriousness, yes, our sample sizes are too small to draw statistically significant conclusions.

I just dont think that means we should return to pointless theorycrafting abut which one "should" be better or worse for kids.

It’s not pointless if kids are involved. My second marriage, my wife was physically and emotionally abusive, she was mentally unstable with the paper work to prove it. There’s no way that keeping my son in that environment In the long term would have been better for him as he develops than in a single parent home (now with his step mother as well) full of love and support.

There’s no way to convince me otherwise, really.
 

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In the long run though, concerning children, I think it’s best to keep them out of a house that’s full of passive aggression, anger, hatred and possibly physical abuse rather than keep them in it “for the sake of the kids”. How is it bennificial to keep them around constant anger, pain and violence while growing up when it can completely alter their personalities and outlook on life? To me, it’s not.

This is what fucks kids up. This is how we get kids who are shitty humans. They will struggle to have a basic relationship with the opposite sex.

Parenting is never perfect. Doing this to kids sets them up for failure.

Kids with shitty parents don't do well.

Far better to divorce than to teach your kids a toxic, failed marriage is what you should aim for.

Basically this.
 
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I didn’t misread anything. I’m proposing the exact opposite experience, which is what I’ve had.

And that both our sample sizes are too small to make an accurate observation in regard to the matter.

In the long run though, concerning children, I think it’s best to keep them out of a house that’s full of passive aggression, anger, hatred and possibly physical abuse rather than keep them in it “for the sake of the kids”. How is it bennificial to keep them around constant anger, pain and violence while growing up when it can completely alter their personalities and outlook on life? To me, it’s not.

That’s what my Mom did, stayed together even though it was awful. I saw things like my Dad punching my maternal grandmother in the mouth. Viciously breaking one of my Mom’s fingers on purpose. Splitting her lip open while we were on family vacation with my adult cousin and my best friend. Cleaning his rifles so he could shoot us. Messing with the exhaust hoses in my Mom’s car so we couldn’t even leave. We all got lightheaded one time. Leaving the gas on for the fireplace with no pilot light so the house would blow up.

I turned our fine! Made excellent life choices....
 

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I didn’t misread anything. I’m proposing the exact opposite experience, which is what I’ve had.

And that both our sample sizes are too small to make an accurate observation in regard to the matter.

In the long run though, concerning children, I think it’s best to keep them out of a house that’s full of passive aggression, anger, hatred and possibly physical abuse rather than keep them in it “for the sake of the kids”. How is it bennificial to keep them around constant anger, pain and violence while growing up when it can completely alter their personalities and outlook on life? To me, it’s not.

On the flip side, how fair is it for your kids to not be able to see one parent or the other for 5 days - 2 weeks at a time? It's bullshit, and it's selfish garbage perpetrated BY adults ON children who have no choice in the matter.

My kids were failed by their parents, absolutely no doubt about it. Two adults should be able to be reasonable human beings to each other if they decide to get married, and it's not the kids' fault we can't be. Now they get to suffer with either not being able to see their mom for 5 days (with me) or living in "some dudes" house and not being able to see their dad for 5 days (with Mom).

That's bullshit. It's on the adults. Take responsibility for your shitty choices and do the right thing for your kids. You decided to have them, it's your fucking job to give them the best life possible. It really pisses me off that she decided to throw away all the agreements we had just for a new dick who made more money, and I'm really disappointed in myself for not seeing how shitty of a human being she was before we decided to have my youngest.
 
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On the flip side, how fair is it for your kids to not be able to see one parent or the other for 5 days - 2 weeks at a time? It's bullshit, and it's selfish garbage perpetrated BY adults ON children who have no choice in the matter.

My kids were failed by their parents, absolutely no doubt about it. Two adults should be able to be reasonable human beings to each other if they decide to get married, and it's not the kids' fault we can't be. Now they get to suffer with either not being able to see their mom for 5 days (with me) or living in "some dudes" house and not being able to see their dad for 5 days (with Mom).

That's bullshit. It's on the adults. Take responsibility for your shitty choices and do the right thing for your kids. You decided to have them, it's your fucking job to give them the best life possible. It really pisses me off that she decided to throw away all the agreements we had just for a new dick who made more money, and I'm really disappointed in myself for not seeing how shitty of a human being she was before we decided to have my youngest.

Divorce sucks.

For some it’s like opening and closing a door. They see the divorce as just a “thing” and move on quickly. That’s painful to the other person for sure. The divorce diet is very real and it has nothing to do with the gym. It’s stress and stress alone.
 

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On the flip side, how fair is it for your kids to not be able to see one parent or the other for 5 days - 2 weeks at a time? It's bullshit, and it's selfish garbage perpetrated BY adults ON children who have no choice in the matter.

My kids were failed by their parents, absolutely no doubt about it. Two adults should be able to be reasonable human beings to each other if they decide to get married, and it's not the kids' fault we can't be. Now they get to suffer with either not being able to see their mom for 5 days (with me) or living in "some dudes" house and not being able to see their dad for 5 days (with Mom).

That's bullshit. It's on the adults. Take responsibility for your shitty choices and do the right thing for your kids. You decided to have them, it's your fucking job to give them the best life possible. It really pisses me off that she decided to throw away all the agreements we had just for a new dick who made more money, and I'm really disappointed in myself for not seeing how shitty of a human being she was before we decided to have my youngest.


Of course it's on the parents, and sometime just one parent but again at that time you have to make the decision whats best for them in the long run. Would your home have been a great place for your kids to be around you both while she was out getting dick all the time? Can you say that wouldn't turn into a toxic situation to be around for them?

At the end of the day, yes. It falls on us, as parents to ensure the best for our kids. Is it fair that parents split, to the kids? Probably not, but then again life ahead of them is full of decisions that aren't fair and it shows them that sometimes you need to make a tough decision in order for the betterment of life. It then falls on those parents to work extra hard for their kids to ensure things go as great as they can from then on out.

My first marriage, my wife was like yours, she wanted new dick. I can't help that. She got pregnant with twins and I sure as hell wasn't going to raise them and she didn't want me to. I then worked extra hard going forward. 11 years later, I still Facetime them multiple times a week (my oldest turned 16 today, my daughter is 12, turning 13 soon). Both are well adjusted, well behaved kids whom I have fantastic relationships with. This happened because I put in the extra effort to do my best to make sure sure that would happen. While I don't know for certain what would have happened had my ex and I stayed together, I know it wouldn't have been a healthy situation for them. At the time they didn't understand and that shit was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. A decade later though they know the situation, they understand it and my son has told me he appreciates everything I've done for them.

Life sucks sometimes, we're forced to make decisions we don't like. When you have kids, every decision you make impacts them but more importantly, decisions you DON'T make can impact them even more. It's our job to try and figure out which is the better and hope, later, we made the best one and work hard going forward to ensure that that's just what we did.
 

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The business that divorce has become makes it worse. Now you have people who can make a lot of money trying to sow the seeds of discord between people who are already unhappy with each other. Kids and everyone else be damned! There's money to make. And the court system helps this along by leaving it up to the "moral code" of a singular person, a judge.

Divorce would be a shitty thing either way, but what it has become in recent history is far uglier than it ever needs to, or should, be. It's frightening enough to keep people like me from ever even attempting.
 
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Did my first date since separation. She was the equivalent to old Subway meatballs. More kids than profile mentioned. bland personality. Had strong political convictions and displayed a desire to talk deeper, but couldn't follow much, worse than escort quest pathing. Breasts were camera angling.
Oh and she was late.

But hey! I did a thing. And I'll do another. And I'll work my way up.
 
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