Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

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moonarchia said:
Yup. That's why I was showing the Pantheon data. They are looking to cash in on the same niche, and they had a huge EA splash, and 3 months later they were tanking, and now 10 months later are seeing daily highs at <10% of what they had during the rush. MnM with their sub for beta are going to fall off harder and faster.
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Yeah, Pantheon already wrote the cautionary tale in real time. Massive boomer hype, huge early-access turnout, and then a nosedive the second people realized nostalgia wasn't enough to cover for tedious, half-baked design. MnM's marching straight into the same trap, only they're charging admission at the door.

A sub-for-beta model in 2025 is practically begging for a mass exodus. You'll get your day-one crowd, though. The same "old-school MMO" faithful who think forced downtime equals "immersive gameplay". And then they'll watch the lights dim once they remember why nobody's made games like this in twenty years.

Pantheon collapsed because it believed its own mythology. MnM looks dead-set on doing the same, except this time with a cover charge and a round of applause from the exact crowd that'll quit first.

MMOs are becoming the equivalent of "sequels" and "remakes" in Hollywood. Boring, tired design just trying to cash in on one last "memberberries" from the 35+ crowd.
 
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Nirgon

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MnM can do a well done classic style rendition while applying hindsight and not creating a WoW clone. I believe.
 
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Quaid

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I hope they’re right about their no Steam strategy. Not seeing player base growth the last few tests.
 
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Kithani

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Nirgon said:
I believe.
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Del said:
Success to them would probably be any sort of profit, which wouldn't be too hard to achieve considering their development costs have been near zero.

Success to me would be something like an average of 5-10k subs for the first year so that they could get some of the guys working on it paid enough to start working full time and churn out development more quickly.
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I think it’d be pretty easy to claim success if their definition is “we made at least $1” and I think deep down they are probably not really shooting for that even if it’s what they claim on stream

I’d be pretty surprised if this game averaged 5-10k subs over the first year, unless they stray a bit from the “people on welfare or dead end jobs cockblock others for their own amusement” endgame.
 
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Kithani said:
I’d be pretty surprised if this game averaged 5-10k subs over the first year, unless they stray a bit from the “people on welfare or dead end jobs cockblock others for their own amusement” endgame.
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I'm interested to hear how, if they can enforce it well enough, a no-box server combats the multi-box sociopaths that take pleasure from that or if there are enough of them that it wont matter as they will just form a huge guild to do it.
 
Pasteton

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you guys vastly underestimate the number of nirgons and I guess, me type of gamers are out there. Between the contrarian incels and semi retired boomers I’d easily bet this gets 15k subs by end of year 1, at a minimum. And I would also bet the number grows during that year.

the most offensive thing you could do to nick is compare this game to pantheon. That garbage only had the numbers it did due to Brad and also being in the mmo news cycle for decade+ and cuz steam.

While pantheon had xp loss, slow travel and slow xp, the similarities truly end there. Their content hit a brick wall by level 30, and they did hardly anything to address this for over 6 months. Their lead Joppa is a fucking moron who openly admits he has adhd and no prior game dev experience. I played that game for as long as I did (I somehow got into the 40s) mostly out of hope that they would add something, anything, worthwhile to do as I was so desperate for a hardcore , oldschool game. I play mnm because there’s so much at lvl 56 I have barely even touched
 
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