Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Kithani

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Arden said:
I was part of the Sigil team that battled rmt stuff in Vanguard. Learned quite a few lessons from the experience, but the main one was: if you are going to take a stand against 3rd party rmt stuff, you need to consider that through all stages of game- design, publishing, marketing, GM tools, etc.

If you wait until after the the game is launched to try and patch the holes you neglected to fill, you're fucked.
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The 15 people that played VG did RMT?!
 
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Sylas

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Brodhi said:
So I don't get it, is this game designed so badly it is going to crash and burn in a month because it is just nostalgia and no one actually wants to play a game with 20 year old design philosophies, or is the game going to be so wildly successful that Chinese botters are going to invest heavily into it and will ruin the experience for everyone. Just trying to keep up with the thread.
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False equivalence but, the first one.

People are going to box or quit due to lack of players in a game that requires players, regardless of their feelings on the subject. Any game with free trade and rarity that's gameplay is so basic that it can be boxed will also be botted. Im sure a handful of chinamen will make an appearance (prolly Indonesian though) especially considering the target market is nostalgic dad gamers with tons of disposable income and limited time.

If one didnt know better you could argue its far more likely the botters will be devs or devs adjacent, like the krono farmers in eq. This game seems to go out of its way to design for botting/rmt and avoiding large scale exposure (ie steam) that would bring in foreign bot armies.
 
Pharone

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Arden said:
Yep. There were 100 Chinese gold farmers for every actual player.
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Funny how I played from early Beta through release and beyond for a long time, and I never once ran in to a gold farmer nor did I ever feel the need to buy gold or anything for the game.

But, then, I ran a guild that basically just played together. We had no need for outside resources. If we wanted something, we went and got it.
 
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Pharone said:
Funny how I played from early Beta through release and beyond for a long time, and I never once ran in to a gold farmer nor did I ever feel the need to buy gold or anything for the game.

But, then, I ran a guild that basically just played together. We had no need for outside resources. If we wanted something, we went and got it.
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I bought gold in Vanguard almost immediately.

It was cheap as fuck.
 
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Pharone

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Quaid said:
I bought gold in Vanguard almost immediately.

It was cheap as fuck.
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I had everything I needed. I saw no need to purchase gold. That being said, if you got enjoyment out of it, I have no hate towards you because again, the gold farmers never once impeded my ability to enjoy the game.

The only person that impeded my ability to enjoy the game was Sillyas that made bad design decision after bad design decision. I mean, who the fuck takes the rare harvestable ingredients and puts them on random mobs as loot drops so that the whole point of leveling a harvester character is made irrelevant? The single stupidest change ever made in that game in my opinion.
 
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More awesome looking armor that haters seem to be hating on.
 
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Quaid

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Pharone said:
I had everything I needed. I saw no need to purchase gold. That being said, if you got enjoyment out of it, I have no hate towards you because again, the gold farmers never once impeded my ability to enjoy the game.

The only person that impeded my ability to enjoy the game was Sillyas that made bad design decision after bad design decision. I mean, who the fuck takes the rare harvestable ingredients and puts them on random mobs as loot drops so that the whole point of leveling a harvester character is made irrelevant? The single stupidest change ever made in that game in my opinion.
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Pretty sure i wanted a flying mount or some shit.
 
Del

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I had a RL friend who sold gold on SOE's RMT partner, LiveGamer, for Vanguard. He had almost no competition the entire time he did it.
 
Arden

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We fought the good fight and managed to eliminate a lot of 3rd party gold sellers, but like I said, it was doomed to be a losing battle because we didn't have support from programming (not their fault), marketing, and the publisher.

Also keep in mind I was only involved during the Sigil era. I got fired in the parking lot with everyone else, so I can't vouch for the SOE era.
 
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