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fanaskin said:
I think they encrypt everything client side so it's not really possible
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doesn't really matter, because the client must decrypt the memory itself to read (and if they've actually encrypted the memory, or done other tricks to obfuscate pointers) that decryption algorithm, key, obfuscation techniques are are available within the client itself to be decompiled. you can read how this jabroni pwned p99's packet encryption techniques 7 years ago

they're not capable of doing anti cheats like big players (and even those big players get pwned)... big players can only prevent publicly released cheats AFTER dissecting their mechanism or just the binary's checksum.

most of the time that is simply banning applications that match "fingerprints" of known cheat applications. so private or personal cheats will almost never be preventable. they can detect when other programs access their programs memory and then crash the application. thats kind of primitive and easily circumvented by kernel level memory reads... thats why you have additional applications, like battle-eye or w/e unity uses by default because it has kernel level memory protection checks. those programs require microsoft registration to sign the certificates allowing those programs kernel level access... something MNM isnt going to do, thus if they did anything would use the built in anti-cheat (but that costs tons of money as a game company). and furthermore those kernel level access programs are circumvented these days by kids buying DMA PCI controllers. (a piece of hardware plugged directly into the motherboard). you then create a fake driver, like for a set of usb speakers, via a plethora of fake or released signatures... now that driver is then coded to access kernel memory and the anti cheats just think that device/driver accessing something is a regular plug-n-play device...
 
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your_mum said:
doesn't really matter, because the client must decrypt the memory itself to read (and if they've actually encrypted the memory, or done other tricks to obfuscate pointers) that decryption algorithm, key, obfuscation techniques are are available within the client itself to be decompiled. you can read how this jabroni pwned p99's packet encryption techniques 7 years ago

they're not capable of doing anti cheats like big players (and even those big players get pwned)... big players can only prevent publicly released cheats AFTER dissecting their mechanism or just the binary's checksum.

most of the time that is simply banning applications that match "fingerprints" of known cheat applications. so private or personal cheats will almost never be preventable. they can detect when other programs access their programs memory and then crash the application. thats kind of primitive and easily circumvented by kernel level memory reads... thats why you have additional applications, like battle-eye or w/e unity uses by default because it has kernel level memory protection checks. those programs require microsoft registration to sign the certificates allowing those programs kernel level access... something MNM isnt going to do, thus if they did anything would use the built in anti-cheat (but that costs tons of money as a game company). and furthermore those kernel level access programs are circumvented these days by kids buying DMA PCI controllers. (a piece of hardware plugged directly into the motherboard). you then create a fake driver, like for a set of usb speakers, via a plethora of fake or released signatures... now that driver is then coded to access kernel memory and the anti cheats just think that device/driver accessing something is a regular plug-n-play device...
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Naah, let people think that NWC is this super crazy titan of tech security.

It's funny to read that shit on the MNM discord.
 
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your_mum said:
doesn't really matter, because the client must decrypt the memory itself to read (and if they've actually encrypted the memory, or done other tricks to obfuscate pointers) that decryption algorithm, key, obfuscation techniques are are available within the client itself to be decompiled. you can read how this jabroni pwned p99's packet encryption techniques 7 years ago

they're not capable of doing anti cheats like big players (and even those big players get pwned)... big players can only prevent publicly released cheats AFTER dissecting their mechanism or just the binary's checksum.

most of the time that is simply banning applications that match "fingerprints" of known cheat applications. so private or personal cheats will almost never be preventable. they can detect when other programs access their programs memory and then crash the application. thats kind of primitive and easily circumvented by kernel level memory reads... thats why you have additional applications, like battle-eye or w/e unity uses by default because it has kernel level memory protection checks. those programs require microsoft registration to sign the certificates allowing those programs kernel level access... something MNM isnt going to do, thus if they did anything would use the built in anti-cheat (but that costs tons of money as a game company). and furthermore those kernel level access programs are circumvented these days by kids buying DMA PCI controllers. (a piece of hardware plugged directly into the motherboard). you then create a fake driver, like for a set of usb speakers, via a plethora of fake or released signatures... now that driver is then coded to access kernel memory and the anti cheats just think that device/driver accessing something is a regular plug-n-play device...
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You don't need to even know anything about the security to be honest. Claude cracked it in 3 minutes
 
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Kithani said:
Spell reagents are retarded, how about that one
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The ping pong balls carry the power of a lightning bolt. You know nothing of the true power of reagents knave

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I’m sorry but being a caster (already doesn’t get much loot) and having to pay $ to have a single group cast instead of spamming multiple casts on individuals is just retarded.

Make the group buff have a longer cast time and cost 4-6x the mana. Not *everybody* will need most buffs so it’s already a trade off of “do I really care if the Ranger gets +INT or do I want to be more efficient with my mana and cast it on just the people who need it”
 
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Kithani said:
I’m sorry but being a caster (already doesn’t get much loot) and having to pay $ to have a single group cast instead of spamming multiple casts on individuals is just retarded.

Make the group buff have a longer cast time and cost 4-6x the mana. Not *everybody* will need most buffs so it’s already a trade off of “do I really care if the Ranger gets +INT or do I want to be more efficient with my mana and cast it on just the people who need it”
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I'm starting to get the idea the game heavily favors melee in almost every perceivable way.

My necro can solo really well sp maybe I'll just be a hermit the entire game.
 
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Overall mixed to slightly positive on the game. I think the lack of coin and high spell prices make the game better. I have a real decision to make when choosing a camp other than exp/hour, the item selling and inventory management is not 100% brain dead.

Personally I am enjoying the pacing quite a bit. At level 15 and will probably get 16 tonight. At 15/16 more quests become available, so in addition to choosing between exp and money, I have a choice to go after some quest lines.

The grind so far is not bad for a semi casual time commitment, havent been through a hell level yet so take it with a grain of salt.

Only big complaint is the class design still feels like a poor imitation of eq for necro at least. Cleric and a few others seem objectively better. I’m not sure it will make or break the game but I don’t understand how class design and balance came last lol. That’s not a great sign, they may never figure it out. Necro is worse after rework. I cast a couple dots, then wait for next pull. You cannot stack the same dot line anymore. They decreased the apm cap! Solo is whatever at this level, i can do it but its about half the exp and coin as a group.
 
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Amycus

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I hit 14 tonight. I’ve been able to buy every spell through 16 I feel I really need as a cleric. Skipped a few early undead only spells as well as root, and a few resistance buffs. I’ll buy them all later at some point but I just don’t need them right now. Managed to get enough silver to get almost full copper plate at least for more AC. Hoping I can save enough coin for some jewelry so I can get some damn stats before I need to save a fortune for lvl 20 spells.

Played melee through beta so I don’t now the best spots for cleric drops and haven’t Taken the time to look up what drops to go for. Got a decent weapon off Belot in the UD deepcut area, and the cloak off of Fionna in WB. But that’s about it.
 
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was about to pull the trigger on a pair of wis earrings but decided to chat a higher lvl shaman first. apparently plus 4 wis did nothing on his dot dmg. so kinda bummed out
 
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Kirun said:
That isn't much better.

You're likely going to need 25k or more to really be able to "back pay" and then also generate enough revenue to start pumping out content while paying salaries, server costs, legal teams, GMs/Customer Service teams, etc.
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It's good to know that NWC has the Kirun seal of approval.
 
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Kirun

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Del said:
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It's good to know that NWC has the Kirun seal of approval.
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That screenshot is not really the "gotcha" you think it is. I've never argued that there is no audience for an old-school MMO. Obviously there is. 6,140 concurrent players is a perfectly respectable number, and I'd be thrilled if MnM eventually sustained that kind of population. My point has always been about scale and sustainability, not whether there are people who want this type of game. There are clearly people who do.

And this screenshot doesn't tell us what you seem to think it tells us. 25,019 active subscriptions isn't 25,019 players, and 6,140 concurrent users isn't 6,140 unique people who have demonstrated that they want a near 1:1 recreation of 1999 EverQuest's design philosophy indefinitely.

If anything, this supports my argument that there is a niche audience for this kind of MMO. I've never disputed that. The question is whether that audience is large enough to support the design at the scale people seem to be imagining, and whether all of the friction from 1999 actually contributes to the experience or whether some of it is simply tolerated because people love EQ.

If your argument is simply "See, thousands of people want an old-school MMO," then sure. I agree. That's never been the argument I'm making. But hey, good for them. That should be a nice influx of cash. Let's see how it looks in Dec. and how well they sustain it after GTA VI and WoW: Forever have released, people have botting tools rocking and rolling, camps are monopolized, etc. Every MMO looks like this after week 1.
 
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Kirun said:
That screenshot is not really the "gotcha" you think it is. I've never argued that there is no audience for an old-school MMO. Obviously there is. 6,140 concurrent players is a perfectly respectable number, and I'd be thrilled if MnM eventually sustained that kind of population. My point has always been about scale and sustainability, not whether there are people who want this type of game. There are clearly people who do.

And this screenshot doesn't tell us what you seem to think it tells us. 25,019 active subscriptions isn't 25,019 players, and 6,140 concurrent users isn't 6,140 unique people who have demonstrated that they want a near 1:1 recreation of 1999 EverQuest's design philosophy indefinitely.

If anything, this supports my argument that there is a niche audience for this kind of MMO. I've never disputed that. The question is whether that audience is large enough to support the design at the scale people seem to be imagining, and whether all of the friction from 1999 actually contributes to the experience or whether some of it is simply tolerated because people love EQ.

If your argument is simply "See, thousands of people want an old-school MMO," then sure. I agree. That's never been the argument I'm making. But hey, good for them. That should be a nice influx of cash. Let's see how it looks in Dec. and how well they sustain it after GTA VI and WoW: Forever have released, people have botting tools rocking and rolling, camps are monopolized, etc. Every MMO looks like this after week 1.
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there maybe a bunch of wow forever hopping over, like me I tot forever was some fresh stuff and jumped straight in. but imo its pretty much same olde.

so if yr looking for something fresh to try, mnm is pretty high on the list.
 
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Kharzette said:
Any of you wizards understand these glyph spells? Don't really seem to do anything that I can tell.
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You make combos to cast other spells, 1234 fire bolt , 1342 frostbolt etc, it's a way for nerds to have access to more spells on there bar if there willing to go threw the trouble of learning them all, I think it's dumb
 
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