Sterling
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Or maybe there should be more than 1 format so people that like different things can all enjoy the game.
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Then keep counterspells in legacy and away from standard and modern?
In non sarcastic way.. so you agree with my premise of keeping counterspell away from standard.
Also as a personal note, Im the kind of magic player that brings Hivemind to a 6 player Commander, via academy rector, then busts out an actual pen and paper to keep track of spells, then says pass.
I dont win, but it is ungodly fun.
Sterling
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I think any format with no countermagic can be dangerous since it's one of the main ways to keep degenerate things in check. Unless you mean specifically the card Counterspell this time. If you mean the card then I can understand that idea, though if you put it in a 2nd set it would only be in Standard for 15 months and I feel like Modern actively needs the card or something similar. If you mean Standard should have no countermagic at all then I totally disagree with you. That's like saying green shouldn't have creature pump or black shouldn't have discard or creature removal.
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Blue has had a pretty tough go of it in Standard lately. The Abzan decks have too much value for slow one for ones to win games.
Sterling
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I can compromise to standard having conditional counters and expensive non conditional counters. Expensive means >= 3 cmc.
The card counterspell is unconditional at 2 cmc, it is way too strong. Look at this season of standard, even with siege rhino, there were plenty of creature based strategies. Also dont look at worlds for an accurate metagame representation, the number of players is too small. Look at the start city games where the play over 500 people to see a better metagame.
The card counterspell is unconditional at 2 cmc, it is way too strong. Look at this season of standard, even with siege rhino, there were plenty of creature based strategies. Also dont look at worlds for an accurate metagame representation, the number of players is too small. Look at the start city games where the play over 500 people to see a better metagame.
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Jeskai is good, sultai reanimator is good. Plenty of good blue decks without counters is my point.
Sterling
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Adding Counterspell to Standard would not stop everyone from playing creatures. It would obviously see play, but it wouldn't be the best card in Standard and has rarely ever been the actual best card in Standard. How is Counterspell too strong and Thoughtseize or Lightning Bolt not?
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Why do you keep mentioning lighting bolt? LB is not broken, and is not the counterpart of counterspell. Counterspell deals with everything, same as discard.
LB can be countered by damage prevention, gaining life, regeneration, redirection, silence effects, etc. Thoughtsieze is not broken, if it was 1 life then it would have been broken. There are plenty of scenarios that thoughtsieze is counterproductive. Counterspell is never counterproductive.
LB can be countered by damage prevention, gaining life, regeneration, redirection, silence effects, etc. Thoughtsieze is not broken, if it was 1 life then it would have been broken. There are plenty of scenarios that thoughtsieze is counterproductive. Counterspell is never counterproductive.
rad
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I've always been a green heavy player and I still think you're way off base with your control magic hate Lendarios. It's an aspect of the game that few other TCG's actually have, so trying to write it off seems pretty silly. Don't get me wrong, I get annoyed with control magic at times but finding ways to beat it is part of the fun. (I was running a GR agro deck during Innistrad/Ravnica that could turn 2 a Thundermaw and it would get blown out by an Azorius charm, feels bad man). Even Alpha through Ice Age wasn't that bad, well OTK Fireballs sucked but still. Even then its not like counterspell ruled the day, everyone was running Royals, Icys and Prod Sorcerers for crying out loud. I think part of the problem about playing against control is it requires you to be very conscious of your resources as well as your opponent. Just slamming threats doesn't get the job done and many folks just want do exactly that.
And to Sterling's point, I think Thoughtseize is much worse of a card than 2U Counterspell.
And to Sterling's point, I think Thoughtseize is much worse of a card than 2U Counterspell.
Sterling
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Swiftspear into Seeker into Stone Rain. On the play that would be pretty gross. A playable LD card, like Fulminator Mage or something would be pretty interesting. Stone Rain brings back some memories. First PTQ I had ever won was U/W counterpost splashing Stone Rains in Ice Age block constructed before they banned Thawing Glaciers.
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During rav(1st time) I played a turn 2 stone rain deck (birds and sprawls) for a while that was cleaning up FNMs, ah those were the times.
Control and Esper dragons have had some time in play due to the shifting meta but at last weeks World Championship even though half the field played Dig Through Time not a single one of the top four contained a single blue card. Whereas while 8 of the 24 were Abzan three of those were in the top 4. I'll be glad to see the back of Courser and Thoughtseize next month and the end of Rhino in March/April.
Hoping to see more Blue over the coming months but losing Ashiok hurts. Not to mention the scry lands which I feel are comparatively strong for control.