NFL 2019 Season: It's Tricky!

Uber Uberest said:

I guess we’re just lucky Stafford didn’t get to play with LT. Stafford might have made it to a super bowl with him.

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Or Rivers with Megatron? But seriously, while I agree Rivers should probably have some more overall success than he does, it's pretty clear he's also had some very bad breaks come playoff times, most of which had nothing to do with him being a very good to great QB.

What’s your take on Matt Ryan’s HOF candidacy?

Uber Uberest said:

Great quarterbacks don’t need excuses, they don’t leave an AFC divisional round game at home in the hands of a kicker 53 yards away.

But those are just facts, continue on with your opinion.

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Ignores defender fumbling away a pick Brady threw to gift new set of down. Facts, classic Uber.

Uber Uberest said:

Rivers gets in, Stafford gets in, Eli gets in, Ryan gets in. This is the argument the low IQ posters are making.

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My argument this whole time is Rivers gets in and none of those others should. You're the one that keeps bringing up all these other players. Rivers has a much better record overall than Stafford and Eli, has better stats than Eli by a mile and Eli's entire claim is 2 fluky playoff runs that were largely based on his defense and running game.

Matt Ryan checks off all of the boxes you've laid out (played in a super bowl, was the best at his position for at least one season). And unless he retires earlier than expected, always a possibility, hes going to be right next to Stafford pushing for whatever records Brady and Brees leave behind.

Matt Ryan was absolutely the best QB of the 2016 season, even when stacked up against Aaron Rodgers. If you wanted to instead argue that Brady was the best QB that season, if you were to extrapolate out for the 4 suspension games, I would be more willing to accept that and it would circle us back to your argument that you won't punish Jerome Bettis for playing at the same time as Barry Sanders.

Rodgers may have been equally worth of MVP in 2016, but Ryan deserved it. Rodgers had 2 more TD's (they both had only 7 Int), but Ryan had superior yards, completion %, and an insane 9.3 yards/attempt over a full season.

Uber Uberest said:

But I don’t want to argue that, because I’m smarter than you. The fact is Rodgers was amazing that season, his best season in a hall of fame career.

But you have your opinion, which is fine. It’s just wrong.

Keep telling me Eli, Rivers, Ryan, and Stafford belong in the hall of fame. You are still wrong.

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Not even Rodgers' best season, which would be his 2011 MVP season.

Aaron Rodgers is overrated. Can't change my mind.

zombiewizardhawk said:

Aaron Rodgers is overrated. Can't change my mind.

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Right now this year, or over his whole career?

Sometimes he looks like peak Peyton Manning but other times completely pedestrian. He's Peyton without the consistent high level performance, barring Peyton's noodle armed last year or two.

Fadaar said:

Sometimes he looks like peak Peyton Manning but other times completely pedestrian. He's Peyton without the consistent high level performance, barring Peyton's noodle armed last year or two.

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I feel like 2011-2014 was pretty insane elite, aside from being hurt for about half of 2013. Then he was great in 2016 again, but missed a lot of time in 2017 with the collarbone, and played hurt all last year with whatever he had. This year looking on pace for one of his better efficiency seasons, though TD passes a little low for peak Rodgers (although having Davante Adams hurt for a bit and basically just a bunch of guys behind him doesn't help).

Now Rogers is over rated? lol

I dont like the guy but he is deserving of the praise he gets. His talent and field intelligence are off the charts. Only 1 super bowl but fuck it he has that one. If you win just one SB it is still a huge accomplishment and immediately validates everything else you have done (see Elway, John, who went out with 2, or Brett Favre)