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The electric company briefly outsourced line maintenance. I guess one too many popped transformers made them change their mind. I was watching one crew clear branches and I had to tell them to watch what they were doing with their bucket because electricity does not fuck around. I found out later the guy running the bucket juiced himself on overheard lines. I can't imagine what other shenanigans those crews were up to, but it must have been bad because the outsourcing was a very brief experiment.

About once or twice a year we get emails about some contractor doing an OPGW install that died. One of them a couple of years ago had the "bucket" they were hanging from the helicopter in drop b/c it wasn't supported by a cable rated high enough to withstand rubbing against another piece. Severed the cable and dude went down with the bucket...
 
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3rd union story time...

My wifes old man, which retired from Ford union as a "cleaner", basically the pinnacle and the job to aspire to as a union worker in any facility. Basically cleaning bathrooms was considered to be THE job and only left for those that had most seniority. Why? Because it took 10-20 min to cleanwhatever the fuck needed cleaning and you could fuck off the rest of the day. In the case of my wifes old man, he went home, drank his bush long necks and chilled, then went back to shop to clock out at end of his shift. Imagine a company culture where you aspire to be the bathroom cleaner guy. THATS what the union added to company culture.

He ended up retiring with full pension, full medical, and lived another 20 or so years in a cabin up north surrounded by 40 acres of woods he owned.

The union is basically a socialist microcosm. A litte looking glass at what it would be like living under socialism. Basically do as little as possible because there is absolutely no reward or incentive structure for doing more.
 
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The electric company briefly outsourced line maintenance. I guess one too many popped transformers made them change their mind. I was watching one crew clear branches and I had to tell them to watch what they were doing with their bucket because electricity does not fuck around. I found out later the guy running the bucket juiced himself on overheard lines. I can't imagine what other shenanigans those crews were up to, but it must have been bad because the outsourcing was a very brief experiment.
Using subs as field techs is just shit across the entire IT services/telco/utility industry, generally speaking. It was a necessary evil at my old company as we were a global company with a global customer-base, but only had in-house techs for the East coast, Texas and California, but working with subs (especially relying on subs on the weekend to actually pick up their phones to support 24/7 contracts) was frequently just awful.
 
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I liked it better when only the supernerds like us would even consider this shit. Old man rambling commence.
 

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The electric company briefly outsourced line maintenance. I guess one too many popped transformers made them change their mind. I was watching one crew clear branches and I had to tell them to watch what they were doing with their bucket because electricity does not fuck around. I found out later the guy running the bucket juiced himself on overheard lines. I can't imagine what other shenanigans those crews were up to, but it must have been bad because the outsourcing was a very brief experiment.
You’ll probably appreciate this picture I took last year of this dump truck leaving a job site and forgot to lower his bed. Took them five hours to get it undone without any explosions or electricutions.

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Using subs as field techs is just shit across the entire IT services/telco/utility industry, generally speaking. It was a necessary evil at my old company as we were a global company with a global customer-base, but only had in-house techs for the East coast, Texas and California, but working with subs (especially relying on subs on the weekend to actually pick up their phones to support 24/7 contracts) was frequently just awful.
I knew a guy who rinsed out as an engineer and kept failing downward. Last I saw of him, he was doing tech support for a small ISP as a subcontractor. Any time I see a 40 something WMA doing entry level work, I think of him and shake my head because I know what the process and outcome will be like. I LMAO envisioning seeing him sitting in a call center office and screaming red faced into the telephone at customers because that's all he did to his coworkers the brief time I dealt with him. The fun part was when they redid the engineering department and took down all the cubicles. His desk was right on the hallway and I'd unplug his mouse as I walked by. I'm surprised I never got shot.
 
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3 months of your pay is nothing to most companies. Actual worker compensation is such a small percent of revenue for most companies. There are much more significant costs to having to rehire people, especially if the economy heats up and new people are hard to find. Add to this the fact that most new hires are fucking useless for their first 6 months in most jobs that require any type of skill at all.

You have many large companies that literally pay people to voluntarily quit in large numbers:


I'm sure that if Chrysler thought that the slowdown would be longer than 3 months they would be doing this.
Liquor distribution is starting to breakdown in South Florida right now, because companies can't find people to hire and they are losing people. Supposedly Amazon just poached a ton of warehouse people from liquor distributors. Combine that with drivers having been hard to hire for a long time, and they are getting away from this type of stuff en masse. Deliveries are starting to be days late consistently, which is a problem when you are normally getting deliveries twice a week. It's only going to get worse too, as people start trying to order more product in advance because they aren't getting what they order in a timely manner.

It's a shit show.
 
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Liquor distribution is starting to breakdown in South Florida right now, because companies can't find people to hire and they are losing people. Supposedly Amazon just poached a ton of warehouse people from liquor distributors. Combine that with drivers having been hard to hire for a long time, and they are getting away from this type of stuff en masse. Deliveries are starting to be days late consistently, which is a problem when you are normally getting deliveries twice a week. It's only going to get worse too, as people start trying to order more product in advance because they aren't getting what they order in a timely manner.

It's a shit show.
No, it's market forces. The American worker has been dramatically underpaid for a long time. Places that are having trouble finding workers should try paying more money.
 
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Liquor distribution is starting to breakdown in South Florida right now, because companies can't find people to hire and they are losing people. Supposedly Amazon just poached a ton of warehouse people from liquor distributors. Combine that with drivers having been hard to hire for a long time, and they are getting away from this type of stuff en masse. Deliveries are starting to be days late consistently, which is a problem when you are normally getting deliveries twice a week. It's only going to get worse too, as people start trying to order more product in advance because they aren't getting what they order in a timely manner.

It's a shit show.
It’s in a lot of industries now. We can’t find anyone, when we do get someone they’re fairly useless or under qualified and we have to take them anyways. My neighbor has 40 spots open he can’t fill. Five staffing agencies are looking for him and nothing. A coworker is friends with a guy who owns multiple staffing agencies, has 500 open slots he can’t fill. People are just milking unemployment and stimmies and they’re happy to tell you so.
 
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No, it's market forces. The American worker has been dramatically underpaid for a long time. Places that are having trouble finding workers should try paying more money.
LOL, maybe the problem is that ever since 1980s its been drilled down out throats to COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY, why would you want to be a truck driver or plumber? So the age of the snowflake comes. And here we are masses of people who think they are too good to do honest necessary jobs because they have a degree in african science or aborigines hut making.

Trucking jobs pay well, so do trades.
 

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LOL, maybe the problem is that ever since 1980s its been drilled down out throats to COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY, why would you want to be a truck driver or plumber? So the age of the snowflake comes. And here we are masses of people who think they are too good to do honest necessary jobs because they have a degree in african science or aborigines hut making.

Trucking jobs pay well, so do trades.
Comparing truck driving and plumbing in the same sentence is ridiculous. Becoming a licensed plumber/electrician/etc requires an apprenticeship/journeyman/etc, and in most states, the steps to get onto that career path are intentionally obscured in order to create scarcity in those professions. There should be some national effort to make the steps to enter these occupations more accessible, like making these programs available and financial-aid-eligible at all publicly funded community colleges.

Truck driving on the other hand has tons of entry-level positions available, it's just that Amazon is paying 17-18 dollars to start (or more in some markets) for anyone with a valid driver's license to start. While there are higher-level licenses to be obtained, there is an easy entry-level path. UPS pays even more from what I'm aware of. Companies that want to pay 12-15 dollars for drivers are just plain fucked, and if they can't compete with Amazon or UPS, well, fuck 'em.
 

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Comparing truck driving and plumbing in the same sentence is ridiculous. Becoming a licensed plumber/electrician/etc requires an apprenticeship/journeyman/etc, and in most states, the steps to get onto that career path are intentionally obscured in order to create scarcity in those professions. There should be some national effort to make the steps to enter these occupations more accessible, like making these programs available and financial-aid-eligible at all publicly funded community colleges.

Truck driving on the other hand has tons of entry-level positions available, it's just that Amazon is paying 17-18 dollars to start (or more in some markets) for anyone with a valid driver's license to start. While there are higher-level licenses to be obtained, there is an easy entry-level path. UPS pays even more from what I'm aware of. Companies that want to pay 12-15 dollars for drivers are just plain fucked, and if they can't compete with Amazon or UPS, well, fuck 'em.
I'm talking drivers that are making 60k+ with potential depending on route to be making 100k+ a year. And they can't fill them. I'm not overly surprised on the warehouse guys though, I can't imagine they are making enough money.

Someone was telling me today that they own 4 restaurants in New York, have 2 closed because they can't staff them, and even at the 2 open can't hire dishwashers trying to pay them $25 an hour.