The examples for WoW are exaggerated, as is my response. In every single successive EQ expansion, high level trash mobs were of course more powerful and more difficult than content from the previous expansion. You can look all over Kunark for examples of this, to include the Chokidai in Chardock, which could hit as hard as Phinny and barely had less HP.
You are describing a dungeon that was high end content for that expansion. Not some bunny in the first zone
The original post was speaking to EQ period, not "the first zone" of any expansion, which I just provided you with a direct example of. The response to which I replied, if you took the time to actually read the context of the discussion, tried to claim that only WoW did this.
Hmmm the very first post about it sure does seem like it...
This is who my response is to.
They don't even remotely contradict themselves. EQ Leveling was a "group" excersize unless you happened to be one of a few snare kiting classes. Meaning that it was unlikely that a "Group" would walk in to the first zone of a new expansion and eat shit, just like a solo-player in WoW is unlikely to walk in to the first zone and eat shit. But could a solo Warrior or Rogue (in EQ) go in to the first zone of a new expansion and solo that yellow-con wolf, despite being decked out in raid gear? Nope, they'd eat shit. That is exactly what the first post by
The Edge
states.
Nirgon
wrongly states that this didn't exist or happen in the "pre-Sony cuckery" EQ world, and only really appeared in WoW, which is ludicrous.
So you are just a salt WoW hater. Got it.This is who my response is to.
They don't even remotely contradict themselves. EQ Leveling was a "group" excersize unless you happened to be one of a few snare kiting classes. Meaning that it was unlikely that a "Group" would walk in to the first zone of a new expansion and eat shit, just like a solo-player in WoW is unlikely to walk in to the first zone and eat shit. But could a solo Warrior or Rogue (in EQ) go in to the first zone of a new expansion and solo that yellow-con wolf, despite being decked out in raid gear? Nope, they'd eat shit. That is exactly what the first post by
WoW doomed this genre to 13 years of shit (and may ultimately have killed it), but don't pretend for a second that it was responsible for the introduction of "death by generic wildlife" that existed in EQ four years prior to WoW even being released.
If that is all you walked away from that post with, you're just a low-effort troll who is upset with having the basis of their argument refuted. I'm not interested in writing a teatise on how WoW, despite being a good game, ruined the MMO industry for over a decade. Instead, I'll point you to the following:
Okay. So you dislike WoW. Also Nigron's post was in response to the one I quoted above.
You've made a pretty significant assumption about whether I enjoyed WoW or not, (hint: I played from release thru WotLK and enjoyed it...) which has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the success of the game destroyed the industry.
Are you arguing that the last twelve years of countless WoW clones somehow moved the genre forward? The genre has stagnated, anyone who takes an honest approach to reviewing where the industry currently stands won't and doesn't disagree. There is certainly "hope" on the horizon with games like Ashes of Creation and Pantheon (which I am still not convinced will ever see the light of day) but both are still over a year away from release.
...what?
