Soccer 2013-2014

Whidon

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If people are going to be chatting during world cup in IRC, i'll likely fire it up. No IRl soccer fans near me :sad: Is PW still isis? or was that the vent pw? it's been a while

Gratz City supporters and players, i would prefer almost anyone else to win however. City is basically a play thing for a few rich aristocratic arabs. The west ignores some very corrupt and shady behavior from these guys because they are allys in the "war on terror"

At least American sports league would never allow owners like them.

Lots of reports Adam Lallana is likely going to Liverpool for around 20m before the world cup. Would be a very good pickup as he already has success in a very similar system in the same league. I expect prices will be very high this summer, so 20m may actually be pretty cheap.

Reports say Diege Costa is about to be sold to Chelsea right after the CL final. Will be a big upgrade for them. Overall I think the top 4-5 teams in the PL next year will be loaded. Should be very exciting.
 

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Gratz City supporters and players, i would prefer almost anyone else to win however. City is basically a play thing for a few rich aristocratic arabs. The west ignores some very corrupt and shady behavior from these guys because they are allys in the "war on terror"
While that's true, they also play some incredibly entertaining football, I like their manager, and their fans are mostly humble after many years in the shitter.

I'm just happy Chelsea (because Mourinho and Abramovic) and Man U (because Man U) didn't win it. Arsenal would probably have been my preferred non-LFC winners, but City is the lesser of the other three evils from the "top 5" (if Man U still belong there).
 

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While that's true, they also play some incredibly entertaining football, I like their manager, and their fans are mostly humble after many years in the shitter.

I'm just happy Chelsea (because Mourinho and Abramovic) and Man U (because Man U) didn't win it. Arsenal would probably have been my preferred non-LFC winners, but City is the lesser of the other three evils from the "top 5" (if Man U still belong there).
They were replaced by City as the true Manchester club.
 

ohkcrlho

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man city lesser evil?lol a modern club that is winning only because some arab fuck bought them.hate it!just like chelsea (but this time,a russian fuck)
 

Asshat Brando

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Yeah, if we ignore the La Liga bullshit for a moment that lets Barca/RM do whatever they want then the real evils are ManC, PSG and Chelsea. ManC and PSG for paying over the top fees and wages in order to initially boost their team without CL which completely distorts the market. ManC has the highest payroll in world sport and has rigged their FFP books so badly that even with UEFA marking down the value of all their deals they still are left with commercial revenue supposedly greater than everybody but ManU yet they are still fighting the FFP findings, LOL!! PSG was claiming a backdated endorsement deal from their Qatari government (their owners) that was 200m euros a year or some shit, LFCs entire commercial income is ~130m euros. How is a 2nd tier team supposed to compete on a consistent basis when any world class player is going to be lured by completely ridiculous payments by those teams because they can cook their books so badly?

Chelsea did what PSG and ManC did but 10 years ago and now I'd have to debate whether they aren't doing something worse. Basically any good young player they can get their hands on is just loaned out until they can finally be sold at a profit to let them comply with FFP, they had 30 kids on loan last year!! Their youth team won the FA youth cup and u21 league yet not one of them will ever see the 1st team. The whole thing is just another racket for Roman, there is no building going on at grassroots or anything along those lines.
 

Neki

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Well, if you guys think Spain and England are bad, spare a thought for Germany...
 

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Bayern make money every year without bullshit commercial deals, are owned by the club members and play in a league with the most equal payment distribution in Europe. Yeah, it's completely similar
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ohkcrlho

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Bayern make money every year without bullshit commercial deals, are owned by the club members and play in a league with the most equal payment distribution in Europe. Yeah, it's completely similar
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This.German league is one of the best because they don't need some russian,arab,whatever to support their club.They don't need players like ronaldo or messi to have fans in their stadiums,the local fans already support their local team (Dortmund is the prime example) every week.
I truly hope that their league maintain like that because England,France and Spain (for similar reasons) are already fucked.
 

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Look, I am not saying Bayern are not to be commended by not going the sugar daddy route but the way they use their financial might to effectively stifle the competition in their league by getting the other teams to sell them their best players is pretty shitty

Bayern Munichs hegemony is bullying the Bundesliga into submission | The Times Blogs

This isn?t good.

Imagine Manchester United having more than twice the revenue of their closest competitors. Imagine them winning 22 of the past 44 English league titles. Now imagine them building their success by signing their competitor?s top players. Say, Petr Cech from Chelsea, Luis Suarez from Liverpool, Vincent Kompany from Manchester City, Gareth Bale from Tottenham. (Oh, and Robin van Persie from Arsenal, but I guess that one already happened.)

Mario G?tze?s imminent ?32 million move from Borussia Dortmund to Bayern Munich isn?t just the second most expensive transfer in the history of the German Bundesliga. The timing of the announcement ? and, of course, it?s not Bayern?s fault ? is also a slap in the face. Take the rest of the mighty Bundesliga and rub their noses in it. We can do this to you whenever and with whomever we like. Because we?re bigger, better and stronger. And there?s nothing you can do about it.

There is so much to admire about the German model. Low ticket prices, nice stadiums, local, diffuse ownership, clubs who actually listen to fans, etc. Less inspiring though is one club?s hegemonic control of the game.

Take the ten biggest transfers in Bundesliga history. The top four ? Javi Martinez, G?tze, Mario Gomez and Franck Ribery ? were all Bayern signings. So were Nos 6 (Arjen Robben), 7 (Manuel Neuer), 8 (Roy Makaay) and 10 (Luiz Gustavo). The two non-Bayern signings who made the top ten? No 9 was the move of Marco Reus (pictured below) to Borussia Dortmund, which was mostly funded by the sale of Shinji Kagawa to Manchester United. And No 5 was also a Dortmund signing: Marcio Amoroso from Parma, back in 2001-02. That expenditure ? ?22 million ? nearly bankrupted the club, incidentally, which is partly why they?ve had to operate on a shoestring for much of the past decade.

What sets Bayern?s dominance apart from that of big clubs in other countries is that when they spend big they often do so by raiding their direct competitors (hence the analogy above). It?s not just G?tze. There?s an obvious pattern.

Stuttgart finished third in the Bundesliga in 2008-09. So Bayern took their star centre forward, Gomez. In 2009-10, Schalke finished second. The following year, they reached the Champions League semi-final. A few months later, they lost Neuer, their star goalkeeper, to Bayern. Last year, Borussia Moenchengladbach?s young team climbed all the way to fourth. What happens? Dante, their defensive stalwart, moves to Bayern.

Bundesliga cheerleaders will point out that, in the last decade, the league has had five different champions. That shows it?s not a one-horse race and that things are exciting right? After all, in the same time frame, the Premier League has had four different winners, Italy and Spain three each.

But the problem is what happens to those non-Bayern sides after they win the title and whether they can establish any kind of sustained success. The jury is out, obviously, on Borussia Dortmund, winners in 2010-11 and 2011-12, though with G?tze going and, supposedly, Robert Lewandowski also close to a move, you have to wonder. Yet consider the others.

Werder Bremen won it 2003-04. Right now, they?re fourteenth and they?ve finished outside the top eight in three of the past four seasons. Stuttgart, winners in 2006-07, are tenth and, since conquering the Bundesliga, have finished in the top five just once. The 2008-09 champions, Wolfsburg, are in thirteenth place. Since their title win, they?ve finished eighth, fifteenth and eighth.

What all this means is that nobody, except Bayern, can get any kind of long-term traction. They?re at a financial disadvantage to begin with, they fail to consistently reach the Champions League (which negatively impacts their revenue) and they slide back into mediocrity.

And, guess what? With the advent of Financial Fair Play, Bayern?s stranglehold will only get stronger. They have made a profit for the past 20 years, while also boasting the league?s highest turnover: indeed, it?s higher than the next two ? Borussia Dortmund and Schalke ? combined.

Plenty of folk mock La Liga for being a two-horse race. At least Barcelona and Real Madrid are two thoroughbreds duking it out. In Germany it?s one genetically modified uber-steed and a bunch of Shetland ponies. Who, as soon as they show some promise, are beaten back into submission by the redmen from Bavaria.

It?s not Bayern?s fault, of course. They?re good at what they do. But in the long-term, it could be a serious problem
This was written before Lewandowski's free transfer to Bayern too

Dortmund and Klopp put up a hell of a fight to hold onto Lewandowski last year and knowing he was coming to the end of his contract. They took the risk and fought off the advances of Bayern and would preferred to sell him to any team other than Bayern but alas, they still managed to persuade him to move on a free and effectively screwed Dortmund over in the region of 35-50mill they could have easily gotten for him otherwise.
 

Asshat Brando

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How is that any different than any other league? If Spuds get Pochettino should they then refrain from bidding on Southampton players in the name of fairness? What about ManU or Chelsea bidding on Shaw? At least Bayern don't need an owner that has to launder petrodollars or rob natural resources from Russia to accomplish it.

Edit: And if it wasn't for Abramovich or the Sheikh then you'd have ManU in basically the same position as Bayern.
 

Neki

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As I said, I don't criticise Bayern for running a successful football club it is but it is in the detriment to the league with the next two teams below them combined and still don't add up to their spending power. They buy from their direct competitors. It's like City buying up Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho to stop you from challenging them whilst at the same time strengthening themselves. They can offer wages their competitors only dream of.

If Chelsea and City didn't happen, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs would have been challenging for the league alongside Utd (I am kinda lumping Spurs in there because if not the emergence of sugar daddies, I am guessing they would have qualified for the CL more regularly and kept onto their best players). Utd might have still won the league but it would have been competitive.

Bundesliga at the moment is like a glorified Scottish Premier League. None of the teams can hope to match Celtic because of the vast chasm in generated revenue. Is it Celtic's fault? No. Is it bad for the league? Yes.
 

Asshat Brando

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Again what choice do they have? Each league has a different style of play and buying players that you know can be succesfull in that style of play somewhat lowers the chance of a transfer failing. Look at Lamela for instance to take your Spurs for an example, that money is gone and unless the new coach can change how he plays completely then it will never work out in my mind and he'll be back in Italy soon at a fraction of the initial cost.

Dortmund just beat Munich 2 years in a row and may have done it again if not for the horrible injury situation. At the end of the day though unless the Euro leagues wanted to go to an American sport socialist style where all income is shared then there will always be haves and have nots. Funny how the home of Capitalism doesn't embrace this but when you're having cities and states build huge stadiums for their teams they do want to know they have at least a chance of being champions.
 

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Scottish league was a joke when Celtic and Rangers were dominating, it's now the most pointless thing ever. What's worse is Celtic fans celebrating the demise of Rangers, too stupid to realise Rangers disappearance completely invalidates any success Celtic have.
 

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This.German league is one of the best because they don't need some russian,arab,whatever to support their club.They don't need players like ronaldo or messi to have fans in their stadiums,the local fans already support their local team (Dortmund is the prime example) every week.
I truly hope that their league maintain like that because England,France and Spain (for similar reasons) are already fucked.
The fuck? You have Bayern buying all of Dortmunds players who are any good each season, that league is totally fucked when only one team is in the running for it each year. At least in the Premiership there is 5+ teams competing for the title.
 

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Lol Bayern won the league with an 19 point gap. That's not the best, that's trash. The Premier League is absolutely the most competitive league out there. Chelsea/Arsenal/Man C/Man U/Liverpool are all capable of competing for the league next season and beyond. Exciting times ahead I think.
 

Dyvim

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Well to be fair it has been only 2 players, top scorer Lewandowski and the very talented G?tze, both tranfers stretched over 2 seasons so not a sell out.
Keep in mind Dortmund beat Bayern in the winter transfer xmas 2012 by signing Reus from M?nchengladbach, who has also been named player of the year the very same season.
Yeah its been Bayern strategy to buy from its direct championship rivals since eternity, but also keep in mind its the players too who would rather get a fat paycheck while sitting out most of the season on Bayerns bench instead of heading to another international top club eg. Kagawa to MUnited (oki that didnt went well) or ?zil, Kedira to Real or Vidal to Juventus.
 

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Big surprise ManC fails FFP. Their statement that they'll be a net zero next year is hilarious as well.
 

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The biggest issue for them is if there is no leeway in 8 of the 21 member squad being homegrown. I see no way they'll get to that number with the already confirmed members leaving the squad (Lescott, Richards, Wright) and yet only spending a net 50m pounds.

As far as the sponsorship, ManC's statement didn't mention that they can't use their IP sales in moving forward as they are now which is complete bullshit numbers. I still think UEFA is going to easy on them as there is no way that non-Abu Dhabi related commercial income exceeds every single PL member sans ManU. They can't even sellout their home stadium for christ sakes, attendance figures be damned.
 

Whidon

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The City punishment is a Joke.It's worded to make to look harder then it is. Like it's two years but if City "complies" in the eyes of fifa they get 2/3rds of the money ack and no penalties for 2015.

Poor City can "only" spend 60m pounds this year. IMO it just proves FFP is 100% toothless. FIFA prefers the money from corrupt Arab Monarchy's to having better leagues.