Star Trek: Picard

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Awhile back, I thought a cool idea was to have a ST series set far enough into the future where most of TNG cast were dead.

Data's backup into B4 was a success and there would be numerous soong type androids in society

Captain of the show gets his new starship and finds out its computer is the original Data's program (Data Prime)

Holodeck would have been a major part of the show: the Captain would use it to "interact" with past characters from the ST universe to get advice and overcome problems.
 
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And why wouldent the "God" AI just take the "new" AI with them up to wherever they have been for the past billion years living in peace that they need to come back and NOW randomly decide to murder everyone?

B5 did it better
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I don't even have to watch this to know that RED DWARF did it better with Silicon Heaven.

 
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Xadion said:
And why wouldent the "God" AI just take the "new" AI with them up to wherever they have been for the past billion years living in peace that they need to come back and NOW randomly decide to murder everyone?

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Because it's a blatant rip of Battlestar Galactica. This has happened before, and it will happen again.

Even if AI destroyed all known biological life, given a long enough timeline, biological life would spontaneously develop again. That biological life could then wipe out and then later create synthetic life. It's recursive and a stupid, played out plot line at this point. They've literally done nothing unique with the motif other than give them the ability to mind meld.

Just like racism is tiresome, and played the fuck out. But there's also the "why the fuck am I working so hard to make so little while bottom feeders and top end syphon from my hard work?" Total socialism is bullshit, so is wage slavery, and taxes. But I'm going off on a tangent...

The Borg is a nice backdrop for the story, now that I think about it. And having just watched Tron Legacy again, creating the perfect system is "unknowable". Biological, cybernetic hive mind, and synthetic. Hell, they even had the digital construct that didn't even require a physical form.
 
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Because it's a blatant rip of Battlestar Galactica. This has happened before, and it will happen again.

Even if AI destroyed all known biological life, given a long enough timeline, biological life would spontaneously develop again. That biological life could then wipe out and then later create synthetic life. It's recursive and a stupid, played out plot line at this point. They've literally done nothing unique with the motif other than give them the ability to mind meld.

Just like racism is tiresome, and played the fuck out. But there's also the "why the fuck am I working so hard to make so little while bottom feeders and top end syphon from my hard work?" Total socialism is bullshit, so is wage slavery, and taxes. But I'm going off on a tangent...

The Borg is a nice backdrop for the story, now that I think about it. And having just watched Tron Legacy again, creating the perfect system is "unknowable". Biological, cybernetic hive mind, and synthetic. Hell, they even had the digital construct that didn't even require a physical form.
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Plus, no one tackles why biological life is so robust. Self replicating, low power usage lifeforms aren't exactly push overs compared to synthetic life as we now understand things. I get Sci-Fi Fantasy adds in a bunch of essentially magical elements--but I'd kill for someone to explore different views on the "inevitable AI war where the machines will be superior in all ways".

Sci fi does get this in some ways. Biological ships are a staple in many universes. But the only show that really came close to ever going deep on the idea that biological technology was not inferior but actually the ultimate form of technology was Babylon 5 (The Vorlons/Shadows ect all used bio ships). The borg are kind of the same concept, where they acknowledge biological life has significant advantages.

Would have loved to see a story where the AI was legitimately afraid because it had lost every major war against the biologicals because biological life's endless ability to replicate, adapt and function at such low power usage. It could be a great metaphor for things like Vietnam and Afghanistan where despite overwhelming technology, the sheer efficiency of a man with a rifle or bombs, when used to disrupt complex, expensive, systems ends up being too significant a cost to combat. The story could explain that true AI brains cost huge amounts of resources just to build an AI capable of running a starship, meanwhile the average biological world can birth enough brain power to run a 10,000 starships a generation; and even if the AI starship is 100 times better, its simply a war of attrition.

Just something god damn different.
 
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Maybe the AI was linked to the Discovery version.

Tentacles ahoy!

It does seem a little lazy making the protagonist in Discovery S2 an AI and also for the first series of Picard.

The Matrix was a fantastic movie but it seems like we've been stuck with bullet-time and tentacley AI enemies for the best part of 20 years. Someone really needs to think of something new.
 
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Just finished episode 8. This show is so fucking awful. I hear episode 10 is pretty good with Riker leading a fleet and some feelings with Data. Which are the kinds of things the whole show should have been.

The only characters I like are Picard and the other Token Male, Rios. The blonde lady straight-up murdered a guy and they're just hand-waving that away an she's part of the crew now because "plans changed"? Well, she's female, I'm sure she meant well. The Romulan sister (what's with all the incest on TV now btw) is this super badass who it takes like eight BORG to wrestle to the floor. Everything every guy says has to get shut down by some lady. Picard finally gets a Jack Bauer moment of telling that admiral woman that he was right all along, but because he can't have the last word, she's all "shut the fuck up!" to put him back in his place. ...and what's with all the swearing? Why's everybody a drunk? This doesn't feel remotely like Star Trek.

Show's ass.
 
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Just finished the last episode. The last 20 minutes might have saved the show a little bit with Admiral Riker and the Data stuff. Just a bit though. The final battle could have been great if it had actually featured a bunch of different Federation ships (new and old) instead of like 200 copy-pasted Sovereign-class Enterprise-E clones. They seriously just mass-produced Enterprise-E over the past 20 years? Kinda takes away the specialness of that ship. Riker saying he was on "the most powerful Federation ship ever built" it would have been a great time to pan out and show us Enterprise-F, but nope, it was just another Sovereign-class.

That scene/battle was a humongous missed opportunity to expand the Trek world a little bit. Oh well.
 
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Just finished the last episode. The last 20 minutes might have saved the show a little bit with Admiral Riker and the Data stuff. Just a bit though. The final battle could have been great if it had actually featured a bunch of different Federation ships (new and old) instead of like 200 copy-pasted Sovereign-class Enterprise-E clones. They seriously just mass-produced Enterprise-E over the past 20 years? Kinda takes away the specialness of that ship. Riker saying he was on "the most powerful Federation ship ever built" it would have been a great time to pan out and show us Enterprise-F, but nope, it was just another Sovereign-class.

That scene/battle was a humongous missed opportunity to expand the Trek world a little bit. Oh well.
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They're not Sovereign class ships. The hull design is very akin to the Enterprise F from Star Trek Online, but Discovery-fied. And yeah, very copy-pasta with slight variations in the nacels, pylons, but you had to look closely.

And hold up. Where did Starfleet get all them ships if their yard had been destroyed. Just, fuck the Romulans, I guess?
 
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So I keep seeing ideas for spin-offs and honestly up till recently I thought a Riker one would be the only decent one...but I came up with an idea last night that I think might be neat.

Wesley Crusher. Now before you laugh, let me explain. We open up to Adult Wesley (played by Will Wheaton of course) walking into Siskos restaurant (since "what we left behind" has Jake there now) to meet Jake. Jake has come across Crushers story in some log entries and somehow through years of work was able to track Crusher down (he was in the Delta Quadrant maybe) and Crusher agrees to meet with him, plus it’s been a while since he’s seen his mother so he wants to head home for a bit.

They sit down and Jake asks him what’s been going on all these years. The show begins with Will Wheaton narrating when he and the Traveler left the Enterprise and that’s how the show kicks off. From there on out, we have a show that’s a combination of his tales and intermittent narrations by Wheaton. If they could be at the beginning of each episode and then go straight into the story.

Or maybe it could also start with a problem where Starfleet needs Wesley but can’t find him and word gets to jake who starts to investigate. The episodes could jump between jake looking and following wesleys previous encounters with other planets and people. Jakes investigative journalism, around the various quadrants, possibly on dax’s ship could open up new places not seen on screen before. And a new crew

Okay. While I’d watch it...feel free to shit on it. I just thought it could be something new while actually doing what Trek used to do, which is exploring.
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That sounds great. Could they travel with Neelix? Maybe he wants to go back home to Delta Quadrant and Wesley is going to take him back with him.

TheNozz said:
Awhile back, I thought a cool idea was to have a ST series set far enough into the future where most of TNG cast were dead.

Data's backup into B4 was a success and there would be numerous soong type androids in society

Captain of the show gets his new starship and finds out its computer is the original Data's program (Data Prime)

Holodeck would have been a major part of the show: the Captain would use it to "interact" with past characters from the ST universe to get advice and overcome problems.
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That's a great idea. It's an interesting character quirk that the captain does that and you can bring back the old casts.

Have an episode where he fucks holodeck Seven of Nine.
 
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I stopped watching about 5 episodes in. Did the Borg cube storyline have any significance?
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Honestly it didn't feel like much of anything ended up having real significance.

Where'd Starfleet get all those ships, indeed. Where did the Romulans get all of THEIR ships? Aren't they supposed to be desperate refugees on the ropes?
 
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Why wouldn’t starfleet or Romulan empire have a lot of ships? Just in the 7th fleet alone Starfleet had 112 ships.
 
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The number of ships wasnt the issue, it was the fact they assembled a fleet that size so fucking fast.
 
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The Iron Islands don't have any trees on them.
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I never bothered with the last season so that's the dumbest thing for me personally. I was even late to the party and was warned everyone fast-travels towards the end of the show but I was not prepared for an order to build a thousand ships to then have those ships all built and crewed by people that live on rocky islands (like, where does the canvas and rope come from even) to then beat our heroes to their destination and sink a sizeable portion of their fleet.
 
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I never bothered with the last season so that's the dumbest thing for me personally. I was even late to the party and was warned everyone fast-travels towards the end of the show but I was not prepared for an order to build a thousand ships to then have those ships all built and crewed by people that live on rocky islands (like, where does the canvas and rope come from even) to then beat our heroes to their destination and sink a sizeable portion of their fleet.
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I am here to read about how they are killing one franchise, (again) not to spill over into how they ended another so poorly.
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Sounds like the Star Trek franchise is pretty much dead after JJ Abrams movies, Discovery and Picard

RIP
 
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One of the worst shows I have ever seen. Zero tribute to TNG or even most core values of Star Trek and didnt even present as a decent space/scifi/action show. Seriously zero reason to watch this or finish it. The final episode was garbage.
 
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One of the worst shows I have ever seen. Zero tribute to TNG or even most core values of Star Trek and didnt even present as a decent space/scifi/action show. Seriously zero reason to watch this or finish it. The final episode was garbage.
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