Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

maybe Phantom Menace was gonna suck no matter what. the original trilogy was so built up in our minds that anything new would be a letdown. or it was really just a pile of shit that ruined everything

Nothing is going to change the fact that the dialogue, Jar Jar, and Jake Lloyd were utter disasters. No amount of passage of time will ever correct that.

Phantom Menace started out in a pretty cool way. The whole blockade and the 2 Jedi showing up and all that seemed like a cool intro and hopefully a nice buildup into something interesting. Instead they get to the planet and Jar Jar.

Sterling said:

Phantom Menace started out in a pretty cool way. The whole blockade and the 2 Jedi showing up and all that seemed like a cool intro and hopefully a nice buildup into something interesting. Instead they get to the planet and Jar Jar.

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I mean comic relief is fine if you do it in proper doses. That is not what happened.

Chanur said:

The Phantom Menace commited the worse crime a movie can make, it was boring. Other than the Darth Maul stuff it was just a drag.

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Surely you meant to say Darth Jar Jar?

Sterling said:

Phantom Menace started out in a pretty cool way.

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The start was so jarringly un-starwars that it pulled me right out and it took a while to get back in. A pink ship with some irish lady piloting it? Get the fuck out of here

I think both are kinda true.

Yes, our expectations were too high. And yeah, the movie was a piece of political propaganda. The analogies he was making to Bush were just so hamfisted and unavoidable. Instead of that he should have just retold the Julius Ceasar civil war except when they try to stab ceasar he busts out a lightsaber and murders the senate, then he tracks down all the jedi one by one with the help of young anakin, who he has corrupted with a vision of empire and glory.

You start with clone wars as ceasar in gaul, then you move into phantom menace (ceasar against coruscant, and the jedi suspect fuckery, and the political tension resulting from a senator personally being in charge of a clone army) and then you end with MURDERSPLATS. You can even have anakin beat obi-wan in some climatic duel but release him in an act of mercy, foreshadowing both his redemption by luke and giving context to the obi-wan/vader duel in new hope.

That would have been better at least than NatPo talking about sand in her vagina.

I think ive still only seen phantom menace once in the theater and once on video to confirm, that yes it was that bad. The Plinkett review made sure i will never be curious if its gotten better over time.

Surprised this hasn’t already been posted. This guy does Red Letter Media better than RLM does RLM.

I saw those the other day. I had to triple check that it wasn't just a RLM secondary account. Whoever is running that channel has the Plinkett voice down perfectly.

I was skeptical of those links but the shit kicks dick.

The midichlorians shit completely destroyed the fucking movie for me, and I was 14 at the time.
But I admit, for all the hate I have for the prequels, TLJ still is far worse, wayyyyyty worse.

Lucas has talked about midichlorians-- but I forget his exact words, so I can't quote him.

I think it had something to do with a strong desire to explain some things that he was not able to explain. He had this philosophy about answering questions people had about the technology with mumbo jumbo. A lot of Star Wars tech is explained by mumbo jumbo, especially in the EU (For example, there is a full "real world" explanation for blaster and laser bolt technology but it makes no sense in the real world because it defies the current known properties for those energy types. You can't mix laser, gas, and electricity and you can't shoot an "electrical bolt" of anything, creating a bolt makes no sense. Electricity is not able to be projected in that way in a specific aimed burst) but the force was one thing that was left spiritual and open to interpretation.

Despite Star Wars already having mumbo jumbo in it long before he invented midichlorians-- he still had to go all Star Trek on the force. It sucks.

R.I.P. Peter Mayhew


edit: totes wrong thread. Help me Amod you're my only hope.

Zapatta said:

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Honest to god, my first thought when I heard he died was 'at least in heaven there is no Episode 8'

Gavinmad said:

Honest to god, my first thought when I heard he died was 'at least in heaven there is no Episode 8'

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Rian Johnson subverted his expectations by not even having him in ep8. ditto Solo.

he always sounded like an extremely nice and kind guy, being extra kind to fans at events even though probably half are autistic sperglords. Its crazy too that such a tall guy lived so long, as a moderately tall guy (6'4) i know genetics are not in our favor for lifespans