The Beer Thread

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Best beer hands down.

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Are you a gin fan? If so they have a Spruce Gin that is amazing. You can't go wrong with much from Rogue. Hazelnut Brown and the Double Chocolate Stout are their best beers, IMO.

Wish Hefe wasn't so low in ABV.
 
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ToeMissile

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Ah, I see a couple Bruery bottles in there. I can only make out the Poterie.. and something mash?

Tried to put down a bottle of the Poterie with a friend on a Sunday night a couple weeks, but couldn't make it much past half way with work in the morning.
 

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I've had the brown and pumpkin, both of which i thought were at least decent-would drink again. I was pretty drunk when the pumpkin was opened up though.

Currently working on a 6 of Lagunitas Stoopid Wit
 

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Really? I think Rogue is pretty bad compared to most other brewers.

It's not my favorite, but I don't think it's bad. And as far as their beer goes, it's all good. They don't have a beer that I would say, "that's not good, don't order that.".
 

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Ah, I see a couple Bruery bottles in there. I can only make out the Poterie.. and something mash?

Tried to put down a bottle of the Poterie with a friend on a Sunday night a couple weeks, but couldn't make it much past half way with work in the morning.
It is just 'Mash.' It's one of their barleywines. There was a Cuvre, Mash, Oude Tart, and a Black Tuesday.
 

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Rogue is known for being an absolute nightmare employer. I won't buy their beers simply because of some of the shit they've pulled over on their employees.
There's been a lot of talk about Rogue Ales and its business practices over the past year or two. I worked in their corporate office for a short time and so I'd like to give a brief description of my experience there.

A little over two years ago, I was laid off and in need of work. My previous job was okay, but I didn't love it and wanted to do something that I'd find personally fulfilling. I've always loved beer and the idea of the craft brewing industry, so I sent out a few e-mails to local breweries to see if they could use someone like me. About a week later, I got a call at 9:30 PM from an old man named Jack Joyce. He introduced himself as the founder and owner of Rogue Ales (a brewery which, at the time, I naively loved) and said he needed about 30 minutes to chat. I was a little starstruck so of course I took his call. I won't go into every detail of the call, but the gist of it was this: "we don't hire recent college graduates because they haven't demonstrated any real work ethic yet." He proceeded to tell me how lazy I am and how I'd never make it at his company, but that he'd be willing to give me a shot. He said that his employees get Christmas and Thanksgiving off work, but that was it - in his own words, "Americans don't work hard enough anyway." This was a little concerning, but considering I was getting a call to work in an industry I really admired from something of an industry leader, and the fact that I was broke, I accepted his offer then and there.

I began working a few days later. I walked into the office and expected to find Jack, as I would be working with him directly as an "office ninja" (what they call new hires). Turns out, he was in Hawaii and I would be training with other people. My mentor (while Jack was gone) was someone Jack referred to as an "East Coast Jew". Basically, I was given a stack of binders and told to read through them, several times, as this would be my training. So I read them, over and over again. One entire binder was dedicated to the things that you shouldn't say around Jack - words like "new normal", "game changer", "paradigm", etc.. If you did say them around him, you'd be punished. Seriously.

So after I had read all the training manuals about 4 times each, my job was to use a clipping service to find any and all mentions of Rogue in print or e-media. Rogue doesn't have a dedicated PR department, nor do they do any real marketing - they allow the brand to speak for itself. That sounds noble and all, but the reality is, they're more dedicated to selling their brand than they are making good beer. When it comes right down to it, John Maier has full control over the brewing process, but the Joyce's (Jack and his son Brett [not short for Brettanomyces]) decide which beers will go to market; in short, they decide what is worth selling. Anyway, my job focused on finding those mentions in the media and relaying that to others so they could leverage those mentions.

So what was so bad about Rogue? The way they treat their employees is absolute garbage. I can't remember all the **** I put up with that came directly from Jack (over the phone and through e-mails, mind you) but it was awful. I was commuting 45 miles to work and showed up 3 minutes late one day due to a wreck (I was normally 15-20 minutes early). Rather than confront me personally, Brett Joyce (whose desk is set up in the middle of the office so he can personally oversee everyone) sent an e-mail to another employee stating "[Insert her name], can you ask mattsesar why he was late today?". This would have been embarrassing enough, but he CC'd THE ENTIRE COMPANY. Everyone with a Rogue e-mail address. So her e-mail to me also CC'd everyone. I had to reply with my reason. Well, turns out that for Brett, 3 minutes was just too much and my reason (which he called an excuse) warranted a public apology and an explanation of the steps I'd take to prevent it from happening in the future. So I had to apologize to the entire company for being 3 minutes late. After that, my incident was placed in one of the binders I had to read so that new hires, from then through now and into the future, would all read about how mattsesar was 3 minutes late to work one day.

That's just one small example. Public humiliation was commonplace; the less time you'd spent there, the more you were subjected to it. Hazing is one thing, but this was outright harassment.

Another example was when I took the company van to deliver mail to the downtown pub. I was supposed to shadow one of the higher-ups, a woman who sorts Jack's e-mails for him. She's been there for decades so she's basically a queen. I showed up, started to take notes, and she asked me why I didn't have my clipboard with me. I was confused, told her I didn't know anything about a clipboard. She LOST HER **** and told me I was worthless, that I'd never survive there, because I didn't know about the clipboard. I explained that I was never told about the clipboard and never saw anything about it in any of the 10 or so binders I had to read. Her response: "That's the problem with you - you just assumed you didn't need to ask about it."

A few days later, I had an emergency with a family member (she had to be taken to the emergency room via ambulance and I was the closest one to her.) I got the phone call, told someone that I had an emergency and had to leave, and left at ~2:00 PM. I ended up getting there before the ambulance, but that's not important. Anyway, the next day I got another e-mail from Brett Joyce and a call from his father asking what the hell happened and demanded to know why I left work early. I told them it was a medical emergency, but that didn't satisfy them. I was told to write another letter of apology to the rest of the company - at which point I said "**** you" to Brett and walked out.

I called Jack Joyce and told him exactly what I thought of his operation - that they make decent beer, but as a business, they're probably one of the worst I've ever seen. They can make money and grow a business, but they don't know how to operate a team. I told him thanks for the opportunity, but I wasn't willing to subject myself to daily harassment and abuse for a paycheck. This was the only time that Jack had anything remotely like respect for me. I think he isn't used to people standing up to him, so when someone did, it took him by surprise.

Anyway, I haven't bought a single bottle of Rogue since then. There are plenty of other breweries to choose from that offer better beer for better prices. I try to tell as many people as I can about Rogue because I find them so distasteful. If the Joyce's were to leave and John Maier were to take over, I think it'd be a different story, but as it stands now, those two ruin the company for me.

Widmer Hefe is a solid American Wheat but unfortunately they are a part of the AB-InBev evil empire and thus dead to me. It isn't that their beer isn't good, it is that a portion of your dollars spent there go towards InBevs terrible lobbying practices.

Ballast Point, I still think they are the shining example of how to do a flavor infused beer correctly. The adjunct should be balanced with the rest of your beer flavors, not in your face. A Grapefruit IPA should not taste like carbonated grapefruit juice, it should taste like a beer with a hint of grapefruit complementing the hop flavors. BP does this better than any other (nationally distributed) brewery imo. Admittedly the Habanero Sculpin is a little intense with the heat, but the habanero flavors blend SO well with your typical west coast IPA hops and if you can get past the heat that wonderful balance is amazing.
 

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I feel spoiled sometimes living in Michigan. So much good craft beer here.

I will be visiting the Founder's tap room again soon. Stoked.
 

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The pineapple sculpin is fantastic. Ballast point has a sculpin sampler 12 pack that is 4 each regular, grapefruit and pineapple
 

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I've stopped buying bottles. I just prefer to drink draft and hang out with people more than hoarding bottles of beer at home. I mean I still have a stupid amount of barrel-aged beer laying around my closet but I don't drink enough or have time to go through a 750ml bottle of 15% abv beer. If anyone lives in or around Tampa and wants 2 years worth of El Catador Club beers + the extra's they released let me know. I'll sell them (don't expect cheap though).
 

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I'm a fan of Not Your Fathers root beer. They recently came out with a vanilla cream ale version. Mix the two together and it tastes like a root beer float.
 

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Im not a fan either, but because of the liquorice/spice finish. Much too strong for my taste.


Had a Greenflash Sea to Sea lager earlier today. Not amazing but would drink again.
 

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One of the best beers out right now is Calm Before The Storm by Ballast Point.
 
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I've stopped buying bottles. I just prefer to drink draft and hang out with people more than hoarding bottles of beer at home. I mean I still have a stupid amount of barrel-aged beer laying around my closet but I don't drink enough or have time to go through a 750ml bottle of 15% abv beer. If anyone lives in or around Tampa and wants 2 years worth of El Catador Club beers + the extra's they released let me know. I'll sell them (don't expect cheap though).

Got Double Barrel Huna? or Cali Brandy?
 

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If you guys are ever in San Diego you can hit up one of the beer tours down there. We did one that hit Ballast Point, Green Flash and Alesmith and it was fucking glorious.