The Dallas Cowboys Memorial (2015 Off-Season) Thread

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Hey Azeth, what part of the diet was this referring to?

McNally: Tom sucks. I'm going to make the next ball a f---ing balloon.

Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done. ... The refs f----d us. A few of them were at almost 16.

McNally: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so Tom can get used to it before Sunday.

Jastremski: Can't wait to give you your needle this week.

McNally: F--- Tom. Make sure the pump is attached to the needle. F-----g watermelons coming.

Jastremski: So angry.
 
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Ambiturner_sl said:
Hey Azeth, what part of the diet was this referring to?


Jastremski: Talked to him last night.He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done.... The refs f----d us. A few of them were at almost 16.
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This line right here proves Tom is a liar since he told Wells (and the media) that he didn't know Mcnally at all.
 
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Vandyn_sl said:
This line right here proves Tom is a liar since he told Wells (and the media) that he didn't know Mcnally at all.
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Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done.

This single text and the reference to "him" and "he," which the investigators concluded must refer to Mr. Brady, is the lynchpin of the investigator's conclusion that Mr. Brady was probably "generally aware" of a scheme to release air from the footballs. (pg. 78). There are two levels of speculation here. First is the speculation that the references are in fact a conversation Mr. Jastremski had with Mr. Brady and not with someone else. Second is the speculation that, even if it does refer to a conversation with Mr. Brady, any expressions of concern about Mr. McNally's level of "stress" had to do with Mr. McNally's improper deflation of footballs. Neither the sender nor the recipient of this text supported the report's interpretation. Nor does the language of the text. Nor is there any other corroborative evidence.

It being a reference to Mr. Brady is also inconsistent with Mr. Brady's expressed testimony that he never had any reason to - or did - express concern over any "stress" Mr. McNally had. Mr. Jastremski frequently sent texts which did not relate to either a prior text that he sent or the prior text that he received - the investigators have extensive texts from him to various people on numerous subjects and this pattern was apparent. Numerous examples were called to their attention. This pattern of Mr. Jastremski's texting is disregarded in the report.

The "him" and "he"was in fact Mr. Jastremski's friend, as the investigators were told, and the conversation involved issues relating to Mr. McNally's stress relating to reselling family tickets. As Mr. McNally explained, his sister is in charge of the family's long-held Patriots seasons tickets, and she has developing health issues. Keeping track of what was being done with the tickets when not being used by the family was getting stressful. Using the team's Ticket Exchange program provides no opportunity for reselling tickets at a profit, but using services like StubHub can result in season ticket revocations.These issues had been discussed by Mr. McNally with Mr. Jastremski and shared with Mr. Jastremski's friend, who stayed over at Mr. Jastremski's house the night of the Jets game and knew of Mr. McNally's family issues with his tickets. In conversation that evening, he expressed concern to Mr. Jastremski about Mr. McNally's situation andshared information about another friend who had similar stress about reselling tickets. That was theconversation that Mr. Jastremski explained the text was referring to. After the conversation with Mr. Jastremski's friend was explained by Mr. Jastremski, theinvestigators did not request the opportunity to interview the Mr. Jastremski friendto determine whether any such conversation had in fact happened. The Patriots tracked downMr. Jastremski's friend, who is a professional fraud investigatorand whose livelihood depends on his honesty. They arranged for a telephone interview with the investigators in whichthe individual explained in great detail the timing (the night of the Jets game), place (Mr. Jastremski's house) and content of the conversation (dealing with Mr. McNally's sister, suffering some early onset memory loss, trying to sell the family game tickets). The investigators, rather than take further steps to check out this information, simply chose to disbelieve input that did not square with their conclusions.

Mr. Brady, when asked about this text, said that not only did he never have any such conversation with Mr. Jastremski but that, at the time, he did not even know how footballs got from the Officials' Locker Room to the field - whether game officials took them, whether League officials took them, etc. That is simply not a matter he needs to focus on as the game is about to start.

In sum, the keystone link that the investigators rely on to implicate Mr. Brady is that he is the individual being referred to in this text as "him" and "he" even though all four people in any way involved in or related to this text have rebutted this interpretation. The investigators made up their minds that "him" and "he" referred to Mr. Brady, and dismissed all contradictory evidence as "not plausible."

The speculation about what the texts all refer to is also based on unsupported speculation that, because Mr. Brady preferred footballs at 12.5, he really wanted them to have even less psi. There is no evidence that Mr. Brady wanted footballs below 12.5 psi. To assume that wanting footballs set at the low end of the permissible range really reflects a desire they be even lower is mere speculation. No evidence exists that Mr. Brady wanted footballs below 12.5 psi - and the investigators were told quite clearly that footballs that are too soft do not roll off his hands as desired. Nonetheless, they assumed Mr. Brady actually wanted footballs to be below 12.5, that Mr. Jastremski and Mr. McNally knew that, and that they went through an elaborate plan all designed to remove about .5 psi beyond what weather would do naturally.

Jastremski and McNally claim the conversation was about a friend in relation to selling season tickets, which both McNally and the friend were both trying to do (McNally was trying to sell individual season tickets to pay for his sisters medical costs). Wells ignores the story completely, doesn't interview the friend to determine the truth, intentionally omits mention of it from the report, and posts the text as evidence that Brady knows McNally anyway.

The friend that Jastremski told Wells he was talking about turns out to be a professional fraud investigator and when tracked down by the Patriots, explained in great detail the conversation he had with Jastremski, completely and fully backing up his story.

Believe what you want about the Patriots, but Wells has been accused of doing this shit before in his other investigations.

Edit: Sister is sick but not deathly sick
 
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Skinner_sl said:
Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done?

This single text and the reference to ?him? and ?he,? which the investigators concluded must refer to Mr. Brady, is the lynchpin of the investigator?s conclusion that Mr. Brady was probably ?generally aware? of a scheme to release air from the footballs. (pg. 78). There are two levels of speculation here. First is the speculation that the references are in fact a conversation Mr. Jastremski had with Mr. Brady and not with someone else. Second is the speculation that, even if it does refer to a conversation with Mr. Brady, any expressions of concern about Mr. McNally?s level of ?stress? had to do with Mr. McNally?s improper deflation of footballs. Neither the sender nor the recipient of this text supported the report?s interpretation. Nor does the language of the text. Nor is there any other corroborative evidence.

It being a reference to Mr. Brady is also inconsistent with Mr. Brady?s expressed testimony that he never had any reason to ? or did ? express concern over any ?stress? Mr. McNally had. Mr. Jastremski frequently sent texts which did not relate to either a prior text that he sent or the prior text that he received ? the investigators have extensive texts from him to various people on numerous subjects and this pattern was apparent. Numerous examples were called to their attention. This pattern of Mr. Jastremski?s texting is disregarded in the report.

The ?him? and ?he?was in fact Mr. Jastremski?s friend, as the investigators were told, and the conversation involved issues relating to Mr. McNally?s stress relating to reselling family tickets. As Mr. McNally explained, his sister is in charge of the family?s long-held Patriots seasons tickets, and she has developing health issues. Keeping track of what was being done with the tickets when not being used by the family was getting stressful. Using the team?s Ticket Exchange program provides no opportunity for reselling tickets at a profit, but using services like StubHub can result in season ticket revocations.These issues had been discussed by Mr. McNally with Mr. Jastremski and shared with Mr. Jastremski?s friend, who stayed over at Mr. Jastremski?s house the night of the Jets game and knew of Mr. McNally?s family issues with his tickets. In conversation that evening, he expressed concern to Mr. Jastremski about Mr. McNally?s situation andshared information about another friend who had similar stress about reselling tickets. That was theconversation that Mr. Jastremski explained the text was referring to. After the conversation with Mr. Jastremski?s friend was explained by Mr. Jastremski, theinvestigators did not request the opportunity to interview the Mr. Jastremski friendto determine whether any such conversation had in fact happened. The Patriots tracked downMr. Jastremski?s friend, who is a professional fraud investigatorand whose livelihood depends on his honesty. They arranged for a telephone interview with the investigators in whichthe individual explained in great detail the timing (the night of the Jets game), place (Mr. Jastremski?s house) and content of the conversation (dealing with Mr. McNally?s sister, suffering some early onset memory loss, trying to sell the family game tickets). The investigators, rather than take further steps to check out this information, simply chose to disbelieve input that did not square with their conclusions.

Mr. Brady, when asked about this text, said that not only did he never have any such conversation with Mr. Jastremski but that, at the time, he did not even know how footballs got from the Officials? Locker Room to the field ? whether game officials took them, whether League officials took them, etc. That is simply not a matter he needs to focus on as the game is about to start.

In sum, the keystone link that the investigators rely on to implicate Mr. Brady is that he is the individual being referred to in this text as ?him? and ?he? even though all four people in any way involved in or related to this text have rebutted this interpretation. The investigators made up their minds that ?him? and ?he? referred to Mr. Brady, and dismissed all contradictory evidence as ?not plausible.?

The speculation about what the texts all refer to is also based on unsupported speculation that, because Mr. Brady preferred footballs at 12.5, he really wanted them to have even less psi. There is no evidence that Mr. Brady wanted footballs below 12.5 psi. To assume that wanting footballs set at the low end of the permissible range really reflects a desire they be even lower is mere speculation. No evidence exists that Mr. Brady wanted footballs below 12.5 psi ? and the investigators were told quite clearly that footballs that are too soft do not roll off his hands as desired. Nonetheless, they assumed Mr. Brady actually wanted footballs to be below 12.5, that Mr. Jastremski and Mr. McNally knew that, and that they went through an elaborate plan all designed to remove about .5 psi beyond what weather would do naturally.

Jastremski and McNally claim the conversation was about a friend in relation to selling season tickets, which both McNally and the friend were both trying to do (McNally was trying to sell individual season tickets to pay for his sisters medical costs). Wells ignores the story completely, doesn't interview the friend to determine the truth, intentionally omits mention of it from the report, and posts the text as evidence that Brady knows McNally anyway.

The friend that Jastremski told Wells he was talking about turns out to be a professional fraud investigator and when tracked down by the Patriots, explained in great detail the conversation he had with Jastremski, completely and fully backing up his story.

Believe what you want about the Patriots, but Wells has been accused of doing this shit before in his other investigations.

Edit: Sister is sick but not deathly sick
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They are not talking about season tickets, they are talking about footballs. Did you ignore the line right below the one I bolded?

McNally: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so Tom can get used to it before Sunday.

Do whatever mental gymnastics you want to explain away how the 'Tom' being referenced is not Brady.
 
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Lol, and I'm not going to bother to find it, but didn't ne's same report that states this:
"Mr. Brady, when asked about this text, said that not only did he never have any such conversation with Mr. Jastremski but that, at the time, he did not even know how footballs got from the Officials' Locker Room to the field - whether game officials took them, whether League officials took them, etc. That is simply not a matter he needs to focus on as the game is about to start."

Didn't they just say that Brady would have contacted McNally, inviting him into his office, and spoken to him so often leading up to the super bowl because he needed to give him instructions on ball inflation for the super bowl? Sooo....which is it? Is it "simply not a matter he needs to focus on as the game is about to start'? or would Brady have valid reasons for having private meetings with the ball boy?
 
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Skinner_sl said:
Brady invited Jastremski to his office, not McNally.
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Whoever, the point still stands the report literally just said brady likes to meet with guys to discuss balls and then goes on to say brady knows nothing of the ball handling process and has bigger fish to fry before getting ready for a game.

-Edit Actually looking back over the quote of the report the texts are explicitly about ball preparation and then the report says, "but tom doesn't know how the balls get to the field". We weren't talking about how the balls get to the field, we were talking about inflating them. They are purposefully deflecting to another subject.

Also,"It being a reference to Mr. Brady is also inconsistent with Mr. Brady's expressed testimony that he never had any reason to - or did - express concern over any "stress" Mr. McNally had. Mr. Jastremski frequently sent texts which did not relate to either a prior text that he sent or the prior text that he received - the investigators have extensive texts from him to various people on numerous subjects and this pattern was apparent. Numerous examples were called to their attention. This pattern of Mr. Jastremski's texting is disregarded in the report."Doesn't everyone's long text conversations have "frequently sent texts which did not relate to either a prior text that he sent or the prior text he received"? Why WOULDN'T you disregard that?

Could use timestamps, but this whole conversation took place on the same day.
Another exchange occurred after an Oct. 17 game between the Patriots and the Jets, when Brady complained about the air pressure of the game balls:
McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a [expletive] balloon

Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...

Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...

Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs [expletive] us...a few of then were at almost 16

Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them

McNally: [expletive] tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday

Jastremski: Omg! Spaz


"A lot of stress trying to get them done" How does that make any sense in regards to selling tickets? That is all in the same text, you can't argue it is two different thoughts. So like I said, NE needs a stiffer penalty for insulting our intelligence.
 
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The point still stands? The quote you quoted says Brady knows nothing about what happens to the balls after he approves of them and selects his favorites. Jastremski is the guy who breaks in the footballs for him and hands him the 30+ balls for Brady to pick his favorite 12. After that, they go to the refs, where in your quote Brady says "he doesn't know what happens to the balls then and who handles them". McNally is the guy who allegedly deflated the balls.

Why don't you try reading and comprehending the shit you write and quote before looking like an idiot?
 
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Itlan_sl said:
You're talking about two different matters. Why are you confused?
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I edited my post to reflect that, I was confused at first because the two subjects had nothing to do with one another, its as if they are trying to intentionally misled ppl in their report.
 
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mures_sl said:
I edited my post to reflect that, I was confused at first because the two subjects had nothing to do with one another, its as if they are trying to intentionally misled ppl in their report.
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You were confused over the post you wrote?

How are you not Shawed?
 
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Nope, just confused over NE's hilariously poor attempt to refute the Well's report's findings.
 
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Ambiturner_sl said:
Was there any reason given why Tom refused to show the texts?
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I think the reason the Patriots gave was that he felt there was no reason to since they had the other two guys texts/emails and that if there was something incriminating on Brady they would have had it because of that. Something along those lines.

I remember it looking almost as bad as claiming deflating is related to weight loss.
 
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