Think of how much value downlevelling and playing with your friends alts has given GW2. It's a crazy decision. Encouraging alts is like adding free longevity to a game.
The Elder Scrolls Online
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Utnayan
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Completely agree. I can see reasons for * some * level range. But I was in Wailing Caverns last night as a level 15 shaman with a level 22-23 warrior, 17 rogue, 15 pally (My buddy) and some healer. Gained 2 levels in one instance run and cleared the thing in 20 minutes. Which was great, because 1) I had to get to bed. 2) I wanted to at least get ONE instance run in after we started leveling to 15 that night.
I can see why anyone wouldn't want a Diablo 3 "Come join me in hell and you can go from 1-60 in 12 minutes", but good lord. You combine this with every other bullshit decision they have made, and it is absolutely perfectly clear their new goal is to salvage investment costs.
Ended up canceling my pre-order from GMG last night. Just too many things about TESO that I don't like or see being a complete and utter train wreck.
Gravel
Mr. Poopybutthole
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So I've got 2 RL friends who want to play this thing, but I don't think either were in any betas. From reading the last few pages, this game sounds fucking terrible. Is this just the typical RR overreaction and the game is actually decent, or is it a trainwreck?
Cinge
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Yes for the most part. A lot will depend on if they fix the quest issues like they said they did though and they have made a lot of questionable decisions.
Blackwulf
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It's not that bad. I am critical because they have made some really dumb decisions and pretty clearly the game is coming out too soon but it's kinda fun and the PvP was great in the beta. If you can stand the typical release crashing and queues stuff you will have a decent time.
Abefroman
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Honestly it comes down to how much they enjoy MMO launches. I'm finding myself getting closer to picking this up just for the launch experience. The game itself does have some very well done things in it, but as others have pointed out the designers just seemed to have gone brain dead on a lot of things. You have to also understand that we pretty much hate everything here.
You either like how the game was designed or you don't. Some people here who don't like how the game was designed have been trying as hard as they can to convince people not to buy the game.
Some people here who like how the game was designed are fully aware there are still technical issues that need to be addressed. Whether you believe those technical issues will be addressed in a timely manner or will never be addressed is largely dependent on whether you approve or disapprove of how the game was designed.
I think it is. Sure it has problems:
1. Still no word about adventure zones, which worries me.
2. Megaserver seems to be excellent with showing literally hundreds on screen at once, with little lag or framerate issues, but also may be the culprit with all the bugs with quests we have seen in the last couple of betas. Still a big question whether they have it fixed or not.
3. Questing can be fun depending on whether the quests work or not (see above) or whether you like the story and style. The quests are done a bit differently from WoW, you get fewer quests but they are longer quests and can take you all over the place. I like it just fine, when it works, but some may not.
4. Zenimax has made some stupid decisions. Not showing buffs or de-buffs in the UI or in mods is pretty dumb. No central Auction house may also be a bad decision but I am going to wait to see how that plays out.
5. Animations can be somewhat meh at times as can combat. Combat has improved with each beta but the animations are probably around to stay. Doesn't bother me much but it might others.
Other than that, I love the graphics and look of the world. I love the character graphics, excepting a few of the animations. I love the crafting and the PvP is phenomenal, if you like the Realm vs. Realm style of PvP (if you are a battlegrounds type of guy, you may not like it.). I loved the dungeons and I like the combat for the most part.
I had fun during most of the beta except for the buggy times.
Vitality
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I'm like a broken record on this:
Don't buy this game if you don't intend on playing with anyone during it. The solo experience is hit or miss for most, for me, it's a miss.
Do buy this game if you intend on playing with friends, or atleast attempt to make some in the game. Cyrodil and some of the group content is sure to fill your entertainment needs. (Assuming you can navigate the megaserver deal to play with your friends)
Don't buy this game if you don't intend on playing with anyone during it. The solo experience is hit or miss for most, for me, it's a miss.
Do buy this game if you intend on playing with friends, or atleast attempt to make some in the game. Cyrodil and some of the group content is sure to fill your entertainment needs. (Assuming you can navigate the megaserver deal to play with your friends)
Agree with a lot of that, although no 'central' auction house suggests that they have auction houses spread over but aren't connected in any way. They simply have no auction houses of ANY kind in this game, whether centralized or not.
The only reason I correct this is because I've seen quite a few people still under the impression that they actually exist erroneously due to people giving them misinformation and confusing explanations about how these guild stores work.
It's worth mentioning again because while most of the people on this forum probably don't care about AHs in general, it's a safe bet to say that the vast majority of casual mmo players view an auction house as not only the lifeblood of a game, but where people tend to hang out in social hubs.
It's all going to depend on the pricing that crafters are throwing out there for their wares and the availability of those fair crafters to do it when those people want/need it on demand vs what they sell in the NPC shops. If people find that neither are good options and their drops/quest rewards don't sustain them.. yeah, it's gonna be messy later on.
I worded that poorly. The guild markets are supposed to take the place of the AH. Whether they will or not remains to be seen. I am in a wait and see approach with that. I will probably be more okay with it than some other people. I have played MMOs since DAoC, so I have been in games where there was no AH. Its going to be a much bigger shock for players who started playing MMOs after WoW's release.
On one hand, it may create a larger social environment. On the other hand, it may just create problems. Thus I am wait and see. I won't condemn them for it and I actually applaud the attempt but I am skeptical at the same time.
Vitality
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What would you guys say to a Guild Store browser board in cyrodil? Where in your campaign you could view all available keeps' markets side by side? I feel like this would keep markets competetive on a campaign wide basis while also providing the general player base some kind of guild "pride" or "Visibility".
Meh, you didn't do it underhandedly, no foul.
It's just that I've seen on quite a few forums this discussion happens, some guy asks about AH, some clown says yeah they have them blah blah blah.
Half the time I think the guys who say ESO has AHs really aren't doing it on purpose; they actuallybelievethey are in there some place because after all, in 2014 what mmodoesn'thave an AH?
I know during the last beta I didn't even look for one because I was busy testing classes and looking around. I didn't even find out there wasn't one until the beta was over.
edit: I don't think AHs are any more of a destructive social environment than games I've played that didn't have one like in FFXIV 1.0. The 'social' aspect was
"Selling X item for Y gil"
"Fucking ripoff. Good luck getting that"
"GTFO with that stuff haha. no 1 will buy your shit"
"Leave him alone. He can sell it for what he wants"
Just imagine that X 1000 because you won't have a place where people can just walk up and get the fair price for mats/gear/weapons right away.
Blackwulf
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Vitality
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Okay blackwulf, that drawn out "Fk you playerbase, you're idiots, we don't want to give you many choices" is definitely not a +EV for this game.
FWIW those ingame effects that get applied, get overwritten by the most recent application.
Example: Try fucking telling the difference between a simple burn and getting hit with burning oil. GG there goes half your health before you realize you need to purge whatever the fuck messed you up.
Another Example: Having a bleed on you, but then casting a hot, the hot overwrites the bleed animation and the arrows so you have no fucking clue if you're still Dotted or how many dots are on you or any of that shit.
Devs TL;DR: "You guys are plebians, we'll make all the important choices for you, and any important choice you need to make in the future will need to be shrouded in mist to cater to the lowest common denomination."
Source: Patch notes and Letters released by devs.
FWIW those ingame effects that get applied, get overwritten by the most recent application.
Example: Try fucking telling the difference between a simple burn and getting hit with burning oil. GG there goes half your health before you realize you need to purge whatever the fuck messed you up.
Another Example: Having a bleed on you, but then casting a hot, the hot overwrites the bleed animation and the arrows so you have no fucking clue if you're still Dotted or how many dots are on you or any of that shit.
Devs TL;DR: "You guys are plebians, we'll make all the important choices for you, and any important choice you need to make in the future will need to be shrouded in mist to cater to the lowest common denomination."
Source: Patch notes and Letters released by devs.