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Abefroman

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I just assumed he had some future gizmo on him, the same thing he used to access the schematics to build the particle accelerator. He probably used that to build the machine that can monitor a future timeline. There was an episode where they paper headline changed, so we know it's not just a future pdf.

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Ok here is my Theory. Gideon can only monitor the point at which they disappeared originally, but since Thrawne accelerated the timeline by creating the Flash ahead of schedule Gideon is able to see what changes are made after the fact.
 

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why are you guys talking about gideon being from 2024? um, thawne is from the 25th century, he got his powers by reverse engineering flash tech and coming back in time to kill barry allen. 2020 was when the original particle explosion happens so barry could have been fighting RF for a few years at that point. what happened was, thawne decided to stop fucking around and go kill barry as a child, but things didnt work out.

thawne having fucked up the speed force, needed another speedster in order to travel back to his time. so he stole the identity of dr wells, the man who invents the particle accelerator and speed up the process so he can get back sooner than 2020. Gideon is not in contact with the future. the newspaper headline is like the photograph in Back to the Future. since its from the future with future events, its a barometer of barry's status. he needs barry to become the flash, because if he doesnt, thawne can never become reverse flash 500 yhears in the future.
 

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Gideon was created by Barry, so its probably not from 500 years in the future.

But honestly they haven't explained enough to really complain one way or the other on if it's a plot hole or not
 

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why are you guys talking about gideon being from 2024?
What the fuck is up with everyone making comments that make it sound like they didn't watch the fucking episode? The fact that Gideon was willing to not tell Thawne that they had found the secret room (because Barry created it) was pretty important to the episode, right up until the end when they find out he knew they were on to him all along.

The picture being from the day after Flash and Reverse Flash disappeared is probably just a plot hole.
 

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What the fuck is up with everyone making comments that make it sound like they didn't watch the fucking episode? The fact that Gideon was willing to not tell Thawne that they had found the secret room (because Barry created it) was pretty important to the episode, right up until the end when they find out he knew they were on to him all along.

The picture being from the day after Flash and Reverse Flash disappeared is probably just a plot hole.
for fucks sake, take your own advice. Gideon has 500 years of future data in its system. its not a fucking plothole. its explained to you that wells is from centuries ahead in the future, he brought gideon with him along with his reverse engineered flash suit. both are flash tech.
 

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Is this a complete reboot of the Flash or does this follow Flash Canon if there is any?

I just wonder why this reverse flash hates the Flash so much. Is it because of some family blood feud or because they both over time have engaged in time travel shenanigans( which obviously happened since they fought in 2024). Just wondering if flash being 500 years in the future or reverse flash traveling back is what started all this.
 

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for fucks sake, take your own advice. Gideon has 500 years of future data in its system. its not a fucking plothole. its explained to you that wells is from centuries ahead in the future, he brought gideon with him along with his reverse engineered flash suit. both are flash tech.
Except Gideon can access a future newspaper and see the changes. We saw that in the episode where Gideon did a search and saw no mentions of the Flash. Memory in a database would not change unless that database was in the future.
 

Gavinmad

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for fucks sake, take your own advice. Gideon has 500 years of future data in its system. its not a fucking plothole. its explained to you that wells is from centuries ahead in the future, he brought gideon with him along with his reverse engineered flash suit. both are flash tech.
You're just wildly speculating based on stuff from the comics. At this point there is nothing that suggests Gideon was intact 500 years in the future after Barry created it for Thawne to bring back with him.
 

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Except Gideon can access a future newspaper and see the changes. We saw that in the episode where Gideon did a search and saw no mentions of the Flash. Memory in a database would not change unless that database was in the future.
do you think thawne would reverse engineer the flash suit and not bother to update gideon? the computer has access to future events up to 500 years in the future.
 

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do you think thawne would reverse engineer the flash suit and not bother to update gideon? the computer has access to future events up to 500 years in the future.
Which would mean it isn't a photo like back to the future but a pipeline actually to the future. The is somewhat of a problem, why not access the next days paper then and not one from 10 years in the future. Or even one 300 years in the future. Seems to be an underused advantage.
 

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You're just wildly speculating based on stuff from the comics. At this point there is nothing that suggests Gideon was intact 500 years in the future after Barry created it for Thawne to bring back with him.
its not speculation, thawne had gideon with him when he came from 500 years in the future. do you think that AI is from ten years from now? cisco had no fucking clue where to begin with it. that tech is massively advanced.
 

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Which would mean it isn't a photo like back to the future but a pipeline actually to the future. The is somewhat of a problem, why not access the next days paper then and not one from 10 years in the future. Or even one 300 years in the future. Seems to be an underused advantage.
conceivably because 300 years from now would outlive all this shows characters primes. so in order to have a character from 500 years ahead come meet barry allen in our present he had to collate data from this time era. that headline may be one of those Dr Who fixed points in time where as long as things play out in that headline, thawne still has a chance of getting back home/becoming reverse flash. it doesnt necessarily mean gideon doesnt have other events stored in its data banks, but that particular event is important for thawne and his purposes.

again, think Back to The Future. all the newspaper headlines, signs, characters and photos that changed when doc and marty started fooling around with shit.
 

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its not speculation, thawne had gideon with him when he came from 500 years in the future. do you think that AI is from ten years from now? cisco had no fucking clue where to begin with it. that tech is massively advanced.
The event that brought him here was in 2024. He could have picked up Gideon then. Gideon also tells the Flash that he created her. As for it being massively advanced. It sounds like the kind of shit they always pull in time travel stories like the Terminator. Wouldn't have invented it unless it traveled back in time to begin with.
 

Gavinmad

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its not speculation, thawne had gideon with him when he came from 500 years in the future
Citation needed.

We don't actually know that Gideon is a fully self-aware and sentient AI, it certainly doesn't seem like one or it would probably refuse to help Thawne, among other things. Even if it were, we're talking about a comic book universe, not real life. If Ray Palmer can create a fucking suit of power armor now, why the hell couldn't Barry create an AI 10 years in the future.
 

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The event that brought him here was in 2024. He could have picked up Gideon then. Gideon also tells the Flash that he created her. As for it being massively advanced. It sounds like the kind of shit they always pull in time travel stories like the Terminator. Wouldn't have invented it unless it traveled back in time to begin with.
ok lets say that barry allen creates gideon in 2024. it wont be that advanced tech but it does the stuff its doing now. now lets say somebody 500 years later gets ahold of that old tech and does one massive firmware and software update to it so it can be stored in a small device with 500 years of historical events included. there you go.
 

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We also don't even know if Thawne actually reverse engineered anything in this universe. That's just comic book evidence, none of which has been stated on the show yet.
 

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We also don't even know if Thawne actually reverse engineered anything in this universe. That's just comic book evidence, none of which has been stated on the show yet.
comic book evidence is what this show is based on.
Eobard Thawne aka Professor Zoom, first appeared in The Flash #139 (September 1963). Originally, he is a criminal from the 25th century who found a time capsule containing the Silver Age Flash's costume. He is able to use a machine to amplify the suit's speed energy, providing the abilities of the Flash as long as he wears it. In the process, the colors of the costume reverse, with the suit becoming yellow, the boots and lightning bolt highlights turning red, and the chest symbol's white circle becoming black.
 

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comic book evidence is what this show is based on.
Nah, Its like arrow. They are taking pieces here, and there from the comics but it is not based soley on one run of The Flash. It's basically an amalgam of decades of DC history with there own ideas.

Only way we know Thawne has traveled, or was born much past 2024 is he tells Cisco that he has been dead for century's to him. In conflict to that statement he tells Wells later that he has only been dead for years to him.
 

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comic book evidence is what this show is based on.
Clearly it isn't entirely based on it, since it says he needs to wear the suit to use his abilities, and he clearly doesn't need the suit to vibrate his hand to Temple of Doom Cisco.

Point being, until they say, we're all just speculating, and none of us really "know" what the truth is.