The Mandalorian

It's nothing to do with men and women, it's about parachuting in disinterested SJWs who are only there to "fix" the IP. Blaming women just plays into their hands.

Mudcrush Durtfeet said:

I think Lucas' wife did the original editing for Episode IV, so not always...

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well at least she got the concept of film editing. the original film was based on the old sci fi serials of the 30s and 40s, like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, so there was some reference material to work off of.

Chris said:

It's nothing to do with men and women, it's about parachuting in disinterested SJWs who are only there to "fix" the IP. Blaming women just plays into their hands.

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it does to some extent. women dont care about star wars, they dont have that interest in it the way that guys do. its not a slight, its just a man vs woman thing. then you have guys who never got star wars because they are weird or something. Somehow these people ended up with the keys to the castle.

Whether they "get it or not" the available pool of writers and directors that can be inserted into a franchise series they didn't create and do it well is limited. Movie making isn't plug and play but studios treat it like you can hand a shit script to a big name and expect gold. In reality they are being lowered into a deep well and told to dig themselves to freedom while filming the escape.

This whole “lol women don’t get teh Star Wars” is fucking dumb. It doesn’t fucking matter what their gender is, it just matters if they “get” the property.

Cybsled said:

This whole “lol women don’t get teh Star Wars” is fucking dumb. It doesn’t fucking matter what their gender is, it just matters if they “get” the property.

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it is a gender thing, because biology.

Lanx said:

women have only one purpose in star wars fandom

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i mean the sexism shaming is pretty hilarious here, but the facts are that boys play with guns, soldiers and monsters while girls play with barbies, cute furry animals and putting on makeup/dresses. OT Star Wars had ewoks and thats it, but it had lots of guns, soldiers and monsters. its a no brainer. putting someone in charge of creating stuff for things they have no emotional connection to is pointless.

rhinohelix said:

It's unproductive, particularly in the social sciences, to make blanket statements like that. Men *tend* to get it and women *tend* to not get it or care about it because of the things that drive us. Let's not quibble about who does or doesn't based upon hard lines. It's an individual question that we can only generalize in the abstract very roughly but pretty easily in the specifics based upon actions. KK doesn't get Star Wars; Filoni and Favreau do.

This idea, though, that they can just replace and add fans by changing the story leads to some progressive executive trying to revamp the Star Wars narrative to appeal to a different audience because 2010s politics and demographics along with personal agendas. Disney Kennedy think they can serve both the financial interest of Disney and the personal political agenda of the SJWs by making Star Wars "woke". They literally said it in the Last Jedi: "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. It's the only way to become who you were meant to be." It's so clear they are talking about Old Star Wars. New, Soviet SJW Star Wars is just fine, Comrade. Fans will accept anyone with a good story and characters. One only has to look at what was done to Ahsoka to see how to make a character work and then to look at Rey to see even how people can like an actress and hate a character.

Marsha Lucas absolutely does not get the credit she deserves. Even now, George will not mention her name, because she broke his heart and ran off with a carpenter who was working on their house. No Marsha Lucas, No Trench Run, No Star Wars.

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i said there are rare exceptions.
give me your honest answer. this is the current Star Wars writing staff.

real talk here, how many of those "writers" dressed up as a Star Wars character for Halloween? how many recreated Vader vs Luke with their action figures? how many got into their feels when Anakin dies after savnig Luke from Palpy? how many had arguments with their girlfriends in the lunch room over who was stronger in the Force? how many actually gives a fuck about Luke?

Yeah, grabbing a picture of any random writing team right now is going to be an example of affirmative action and not much else.

I know PLENTY of women who are huge star wars fans and PLENTY of guys who just... Don't care. Obviously there is going to be a tendency to attract one gender over another but that doesn't mean "chicks don't get it."

Its not chicks that don't get star wars, it's the AGENDA that doesn't get star wars.

Chris said:

It's nothing to do with men and women, it's about parachuting in disinterested SJWs who are only there to "fix" the IP. Blaming women just plays into their hands.

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Malakriss said:

Whether they "get it or not" the available pool of writers and directors that can be inserted into a franchise series they didn't create and do it well is limited. Movie making isn't plug and play but studios treat it like you can hand a shit script to a big name and expect gold. In reality they are being lowered into a deep well and told to dig themselves to freedom while filming the escape.

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IMO, its absolutely a combination of these two things.

1.) You have a group of people who are religiously devoted to a set of social justice precepts. These people don't see and love the films for what they were. Instead they see the films as heretical art that is an affront to their religion. Their fervor isn't continuing to perpetuate that heresy but rather 'correcting' it. That's why they always fall flat in recreating the magic in these films, because they aren't actually seeing what people love--they only see what they hate and so the focus of their new stories is never on the elements that made the originals great. (Its why Rose's line in the one movie was so ironic--Kennedy's whole operation is about destroying what she hates, not protecting what she loves).

These people have made an unholy alliance with corporate hacks by convincing them they can grow market share outside the traditional male demographic (80% male/20% female, the typical split on these) by destroying what's heretical in these films and bringing "star wars" into a modern, more equal, social justice compliant era (Because the only reason this appealed to men more is misogyny, didn't you know? Which of course drove women away! Without the heresy, women would love SW!). Corporate hacks being corporate hacks were swayed by the promise of new market share and the political correctness cover they could get through adopting this ideology. Just like these companies were all family value Christian companies when the moral majority held power--they will adopt whatever religion is dominant.


2.) Any director with a lot of talent isn't going to want to "color within the lines" laid down by another artist. Artists have huge fucking egos, and GOOD artists have the biggest egos. The idea of them adhering to another person's story...or worse, allowing their work to be overshadowed by the original artists vision? Is like poison to them. You can see that most clearly with Ryan Johnson's bullshit--nearly all of his ridiculous movie can be attributed to an artistic temper tantrum where he wanted to do "his own thing" and wasn't interested in playing within the rules/borders set up by Lucas or JJ Abrams. Meanwhile, any low talent hacks who will stay within the lines probably aren't very good. Certainly not within that sweet spot of being good enough to develop new content while also obeying all the vague rules of the universe. These two things, imo, are absolutely destroying Star Wars.



This is where Filoni and Jon Favreau are really in the sweet zone for Star Wars. They have enough talent, but also are humble enough to stay within the lines (Either because they love the IP enough or are just self deprecating enough to not let the success of their work get to their heads). IMO, one of the things Marvel has done well is find writers and directors in this sweet zone. Egos small enough to control, but competent enough to handle the work. Its probably not easy at all.

Lithose said:

This is where Filoni and Jon Favreau are really in the sweet zone for Star Wars. They have enough talent, but also are humble enough to stay within the lines (Either because they love the IP enough or are just self deprecating enough to not let the success of their work get to their heads). IMO, one of the things Marvel has done well is find writers and directors in this sweet zone. Egos small enough to control, but competent enough to handle the work. Its probably not easy at all.

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Good point about ego. The issue usually stems from someone wanting to make something their own, but do so at the expense of what has already been laid out. But there is also something to be said about original creators trying to "take back" something, but it isn't the best thing. Like take Roland Emmerich...he wanted to reboot Stargate and essentially throw out ALL the TV show plot and just use the original movie as the basis. He had the good nucleus (original SG movie), but the show is what actually grew the fandom and expanded the lore, so the fans rebelled even though he was responsible for starting it. Lucas has had some pretty shit ideas (don't forget the SW special editions are basically his brain child). Mando works because they understand when to use those original ideas and how to expand on them, but keeping the same artistic flavor so that it feels like it fits.

There's also a fine line between reboot and continuation. A good continuation will retain the good qualities of the old, while adding something new. A bad one tends to feel too much like a reboot and trying to undo everything about the old. Like the show Picard: It feels like a continuation that is trying too hard to reboot.

rhinohelix said:

It's unproductive, particularly in the social sciences

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Ahhh, the social sciences. Ok

rhinohelix said:

I don't disagree: There might be one or two but it speaks to the larger part of the agenda, which is to end the previous era and jettison the old fanbase in favor of a new one. Invariably Marxists don't build new things, they invade existing institutions, hollow them out, wear the skins like trophies, and once they have sucked all of the life out of them, complain about the failure they have created and the need for "something new" and move on like locusts.

None of these ladies are there to make Luke, Vader, or Palpatine great. They are there to get what mileage out of them that they can, kill them, and use that to build up the Female, "Diverse", LGBT, and the Chinese Market characters for the "new" SJW Star Wars.

Just from a hiring perspective, why is an all Female staff any more acceptable than an all Male staff? Given that they have presided over the most divided time in Star Wars History, why aren't there more heads rolling?

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as Lithose said, the demo for SW is 80male 20 female. and i would bet most of that 20 comes from at least the prequels because Lucas made a halfassed daytime TV soap opera with appropriate chick melodrama in 1-3. the OT, the ones we all love, the ones we still love is a much higher male centric trilogy. this is what Fav gave us in the Mandolorian even with a heavily female supporting cast. all the women are strong in the way that they have flaws, but are still strong characters. things men can relate to. just grrl power where everything a female does is always the best right thing is alien and only serves a narrative. Mandolorian was a male conceived idea and it still holds true even with a more "diverse" cast. this is good diversity, well cept the third episode of season 1 where all the men are dumbasses and the women reign supreme. so that picture i linked, is the writing staff for the movies, 100% female. 100% modern empowered female input and ideas, so what you get is an alien product. i am not saying man star wars is better because penises. i am saying men know what other men like and what we want to see in our stuff. you can have some female input, but it should be input that helps the story. not "helps" the story.
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Five days a week, in the foggy hills of San Francisco, 11 writers and artists discuss the minutiae of storm troopers. This is the Lucasfilm story group, and its members hold the keys to everything “Star Wars”: Under their guidance, the franchise’s narratives are linked no matter the platform, whether it’s television, games, theme parks, publishing, merchandise or, of course, film. With their ideas shaping each character and setting, they don’t see themselves as gatekeepers but as partners furthering the stories their creators want to tell.

Kathleen Kennedy founded the group in 2012 when she succeeded George Lucas as president of Lucasfilm, putting Kiri Hart, a former film and TV writer, in charge of the unit. Ms. Hart’s first move was to make the story group entirely female, starting with Rayne Roberts and Carrie Beck. Both women had experience in film development but had also worked in other arenas — Ms. Roberts in magazine publishing, and Ms. Beck with the Sundance Institute."