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Ioannidis, of Stanford University, and Moreno-Estrada’s group searched for molecular markers of shared ancestry in DNA of 807 individuals from 17 island populations in Polynesia and 15 Indigenous groups from relatively near Central and South America’s Pacific coast. Genetic data included 166 Rapa Nui inhabitants and 188 individuals from other Pacific islands. All DNA came from present-day people except for samples from four individuals, each from a different site in the Americas. Those ancient individuals lived between around 500 and 7,400 years ago.

Comparisons of the length of DNA segments shared by Polynesians and Indigenous peoples from the Americas enabled calculations of when Indigenous American DNA was first introduced to Polynesian groups. Smaller DNA segments are assumed to represent older instances of mating across populations than longer segments due to the breakdown of shared segments in later generations.

DNA resembling that of Indigenous people now living in Colombia appeared on an island called Fatu Hiva in the southern Marquesas Islands by around 1150, probably the result of a single ancient contact, the researchers estimate. The South American ancestry reached three nearby sets of eastern Polynesian islands between roughly 1200 and 1230, followed by Rapa Nui in around 1380. The genetic data can’t establish which Polynesian islanders mated with the South Americans before spreading that ancestry elsewhere in the Pacific, only that evidence so far points to the southern Marquesas.

But other contact scenarios between Polynesians and South Americans exist. The new study provides genetic support for a scenario in which ancestors of Rapa Nui settlers traveled to South America and possibly returned with sweet potatoes, says archaeologist Carl Lipo of Binghamton University in New York. Those ancestors then could have carried that crop and South American DNA to a majority of eastern Polynesian islands, he says. Some scientists have previously suggested that Polynesians traveled to and from South America, bringing the sweet potato to eastern Polynesia more than 800 years ago (SN: 4/12/18) and possibly chickens to the Americas more than 600 years ago (SN: 6/5/07).

Ancient Polynesians’ “tremendous navigation skills” would have made possible round trips to South America, Lindo agrees.

Radiocarbon dating of archaeological remains and linguistic studies suggest that people reached Rapa Nui by around 1200, nearly 200 years before the newly estimated arrival of Polynesians with South American ancestry, archaeologist Paul Wallin writes in a commentary published with the new study. Trade and cultural exchanges may have connected Rapa Nui to South America before DNA did, suggests Wallin, of Uppsala University in Sweden.
 
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Yeah it's the "maybe could be" cancer that's been infesting History channel, hell, most documentaries across all cable shows for quite a long time. But since that's all we get anymore. It's up to us to separate the wheat from the chaff. I'm just happy those subjects are being talked about at all. There is no reason why Mayan influence would not have extended beyond Mexico. There is also no reason why there wouldn't be trade among the injuns.
You lost me at 'it's up to us...'.
 
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Ioannidis, of Stanford University, and Moreno-Estrada’s group searched for molecular markers of shared ancestry in DNA of 807 individuals from 17 island populations in Polynesia and 15 Indigenous groups from relatively near Central and South America’s Pacific coast. Genetic data included 166 Rapa Nui inhabitants and 188 individuals from other Pacific islands. All DNA came from present-day people except for samples from four individuals, each from a different site in the Americas. Those ancient individuals lived between around 500 and 7,400 years ago.

Comparisons of the length of DNA segments shared by Polynesians and Indigenous peoples from the Americas enabled calculations of when Indigenous American DNA was first introduced to Polynesian groups. Smaller DNA segments are assumed to represent older instances of mating across populations than longer segments due to the breakdown of shared segments in later generations.

DNA resembling that of Indigenous people now living in Colombia appeared on an island called Fatu Hiva in the southern Marquesas Islands by around 1150, probably the result of a single ancient contact, the researchers estimate. The South American ancestry reached three nearby sets of eastern Polynesian islands between roughly 1200 and 1230, followed by Rapa Nui in around 1380. The genetic data can’t establish which Polynesian islanders mated with the South Americans before spreading that ancestry elsewhere in the Pacific, only that evidence so far points to the southern Marquesas.

But other contact scenarios between Polynesians and South Americans exist. The new study provides genetic support for a scenario in which ancestors of Rapa Nui settlers traveled to South America and possibly returned with sweet potatoes, says archaeologist Carl Lipo of Binghamton University in New York. Those ancestors then could have carried that crop and South American DNA to a majority of eastern Polynesian islands, he says. Some scientists have previously suggested that Polynesians traveled to and from South America, bringing the sweet potato to eastern Polynesia more than 800 years ago (SN: 4/12/18) and possibly chickens to the Americas more than 600 years ago (SN: 6/5/07).

Ancient Polynesians’ “tremendous navigation skills” would have made possible round trips to South America, Lindo agrees.

Radiocarbon dating of archaeological remains and linguistic studies suggest that people reached Rapa Nui by around 1200, nearly 200 years before the newly estimated arrival of Polynesians with South American ancestry, archaeologist Paul Wallin writes in a commentary published with the new study. Trade and cultural exchanges may have connected Rapa Nui to South America before DNA did, suggests Wallin, of Uppsala University in Sweden.

i thought that was known for decades, they even had a famous voyage that recreated it and a book about it: Kon-Tiki
 

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The main reason would be mass transportation. They didn't have oxen.

But, that said, there are remanants of trade hubs in new mexico that point to some sort of trade network. High value trade probably did happen, there's evidence for it. How far is hard to know.

Mayan influence in a ruin doesn't necessitate full scale mayan trade in the region. It could just as well be visiting dignitaries and architects. A trade in ideas rather than raw goods. It doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that it didn't necessarily.
 

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The main reason would be mass transportation. They didn't have oxen.

But, that said, there are remanants of trade hubs in new mexico that point to some sort of trade network. High value trade probably did happen, there's evidence for it. How far is hard to know.

Mayan influence in a ruin doesn't necessitate full scale mayan trade in the region. It could just as well be visiting dignitaries and architects. A trade in ideas rather than raw goods. It doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that it didn't necessarily.
no oxen, no carts, no wheels. but it would be nothing to trade with some Texas indian and they pass on their trade to somebody else east. then they trade with somebody else and so on. i dont think they had a Mayan empire in the US of much importance compared to Mexico and Central America, though i do think its possible when the Mayan empire collapsed they could have moved there or come from there.
 
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Solid theory.

The name being related to YHWH and the Egyptians going monotheistic around that time made a lot of sense, Jewish advisor gives the Phraoah an idea to unite all of the various religious cults into worshipping him? The Romans eventually did the same thing.

I imagine people from that long ago end up being composite figures like Robin Hood (didn't exist but is made up of the stories of real people), even Jesus is probably like that, so this could be one of the "Joseph" stories.
 
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Solid theory.

The name being related to YHWH and the Egyptians going monotheistic around that time made a lot of sense, Jewish advisor gives the Phraoah an idea to unite all of the various religious cults into worshipping him? The Romans eventually did the same thing.

I imagine people from that long ago end up being composite figures like Robin Hood (didn't exist but is made up of the stories of real people), even Jesus is probably like that, so this could be one of the "Joseph" stories.
yeah, it sounds legit, the bible is supposedly based on the Epic of Gilgamesh. its like one work was so good, others got jealous and started working in their own versions to fit their cultures. i think the zodiac is similar to that, AA did a video on that too. the Zodiac could be a much older thing than we know.
 
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yeah, it sounds legit, the bible is supposedly based on the Epic of Gilgamesh. its like one work was so good, others got jealous and started working in their own versions to fit their cultures. i think the zodiac is similar to that, AA did a video on that too. the Zodiac could be a much older thing than we know.
Well we know that Muhammed and Jospeh Smith did just that, that's historical fact. No reason to believe that what we think is the original version is actually original.
 
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Well we know that Muhammed and Jospeh Smith did just that, that's historical fact. No reason to believe that what we think is the original version is actually original.
yep yep, but see, this historical plagiarism is part of the ancient civ theory that other cultures around the world copied other cultures they had contact with. you know the american indians had a Jesus figure as well? scholars say that it was just the missionaries influencing the tribes, but even the Maya have the white messiah story set in stone long before we ever got there. this is actually basis for the UFO theory that "advanced race comes down to visit from beyond the sea, imparts great knowledge and leaves unexpectedly vowing one day to return." thats where all this ancient aliens shit comes from. they use the "spacemen did it" instead of the more plausible ancient seagoing cultures.
 
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