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Genetically speaking, almost all Amerindians are closely related to archaic Siberian populations, meaning their ancestors definitively came from there...

... except for a very small handful of south central America that have some significant southern Asian affinity, indicating that there's a small separate population that probably migrated across the Pacific without mixing with those Siberians first to settle there and go frisky with the others. But that's a rarity - almost all of the inhabitants of the Americas come from Siberia originally.

That's a good point. It doesnt have to be exclusively one way or the other.
 
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The Solutrean hypothesis on the peopling of the Americas claims that the earliest human migration to the Americas took place from Europe, during the Last Glacial Maximum.[1][2][3] This hypothesis contrasts with the mainstream view that the North American continent was first reached after the Last Glacial Maximum, by people from North Asia, either by the Bering land bridge (i.e. Beringia),[4] or by maritime travel along the Pacific coast, or by both.

According to the Solutrean hypothesis, people of the Solutrean culture, 21,000 to 17,000 years ago migrated to North America by boat along the pack ice of the North Atlantic Ocean.[5] They brought their methods of making stone tools with them and provided the basis for the later (c. 13,000 years ago) Clovis technology that spread throughout North America. The hypothesis is based on similarities between European Solutrean and Clovis lithic technologies. Supporters of the Solutrean hypothesis refer to recent archaeological finds such as those at Cactus Hill in Virginia, Meadowcroft Rockshelter in Pennsylvania, and Miles Point in Maryland as evidence of a transitional phase between Solutrean lithic technology and what later became Clovis technology.

Solutrean culture was based in present-day France, Spain and Portugal, from roughly 21,000 to 17,000 years ago. The manufacture of stone tools from this period is distinguished by bifacial, percussion and pressure-flaked points. The Solutrean toolmaking industry disappeared from Europe around 17,000 years ago, replaced by the lithic technology of the Magdalenian culture.[citation needed]

Clovis tools are characterized by a distinctive type of spear point, known as the Clovis point. Solutrean and Clovis points do have common traits: the points are thin and bifacial, and both use the "outrepassé", or overshot flaking technique, that quickly reduces the thickness of a biface without reducing its width.[citation needed] The Clovis point differs from the Solutrean in that some of the former have bifacial fluting, referring to the long groove carved into the bottom edge of a point to help attach it to the head of a spear. Bifacial fluting describes blades on which this feature appears on both its sides.

Clovis toolmaking technology appears in the archaeological record in much of North America between 12,800 and 13,500 years ago. Older blades with this attribute have yet to be discovered from sites in either Asia or Alaska.[4]
 
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The Solutrean hypothesis on the peopling of the Americas claims that the earliest human migration to the Americas took place from Europe,
Except that genetics don't match that. While the amerindian's closest genetic relatives today may look to be european ones - or more specifically, some finnic populations - those populations did not exist at the time speculated for that migration. The siberian ancestral population that admixed to produce the finns and the rest arrived much later in Europe to be the one that would have further migrated westward instead of eastward across the Bering straits.

Now, there might have been migrants from Europe, bringing in their lithic technology. If there were, they left almost no genetic trace and their kids - if any - were a drop in an ocean of Siberians. The Siberians may have picked the tech, but not the genes (pretty much in the reverse of the Basque, which were thought for very long to be the last descendants of the original Europeans, owing to their weird language unrelated to everyone else's... until genetic sequencing demonstrated they were standard europeans, just ones that adopted the local culture while replacing the original inhabitants with their own kids)
 
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Except that genetics don't match that. While the amerindian's closest genetic relatives today may look to be european ones - or more specifically, some finnic populations - those populations did not exist at the time speculated for that migration. The siberian ancestral population that admixed to produce the finns and the rest arrived much later in Europe to be the one that would have further migrated westward instead of eastward across the Bering straits.

Now, there might have been migrants from Europe, bringing in their lithic technology. If there were, they left almost no genetic trace and their kids - if any - were a drop in an ocean of Siberians. The Siberians may have picked the tech, but not the genes (pretty much in the reverse of the Basque, which were thought for very long to be the last descendants of the original Europeans, owing to their weird language unrelated to everyone else's... until genetic sequencing demonstrated they were standard europeans, just ones that adopted the local culture while replacing the original inhabitants with their own kids)
there is a good reason, there is very little research below a certain depth of the soil because science says there is nothing there. so when they say there is nothing there its because they dont look for something because they said there is nothing to see. its a very frustrating form of gatekeeping. when people do go further down and find older cultures, its either disputed or the archeologist is discredited as a nut and probably a racist. its logical that you would follow the "shoreline" of ice along the ocean if you see seals and other animals you like to hunt. eventually you go so far you see another continent and make your home over there. maybe not many did that, but some certainly did, its why we have Solutrean spears while we may not have a lot of genetic evidence of Solutrean people. its really hard to find such things if you arent looking for it because science said it doesnt exist and its so much older than the cultures you do admit to existing. a lot of this is politics. its racist and insenstive to say that the first people of the new world were "white" europeans and that the modern indians most likely killed them all.
 
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Now, there might have been migrants from Europe, bringing in their lithic technology. If there were, they left almost no genetic trace and their kids - if any - were a drop in an ocean of Siberians. The Siberians may have picked the tech, but not the genes (pretty much in the reverse of the Basque, which were thought for very long to be the last descendants of the original Europeans, owing to their weird language unrelated to everyone else's... until genetic sequencing demonstrated they were standard europeans, just ones that adopted the local culture while replacing the original inhabitants with their own kids)
That's what I thought too when I read that. Exceptional individuals or small groups may have made the crossing with new technologies but the mass migration of people was via Siberia.
 
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That's what I thought too when I read that. Exceptional individuals or small groups may have made the crossing with new technologies but the mass migration of people was via Siberia.
both can be true. in fact there can be several different routes taken by the ancients. one by land bridge by the locals. another could be the pacific ice pack and the other could be the atlantic ice pack. the Euros by all accounts were the earliest by thousands of years and they were mainly east coast. there are of course Indian legends of red haired giants and other red haired people. South American indians is also a whole different kettle of fish, their DNA includes Australia.

we cant pin Siberian landbridges on everyone who came here. its just one method. this continent is very old and people have been coming here for a very long time.
 
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the whole monolith thing is gonna end up a viral marketing ploy

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The Debrief learned of the existence of the photograph from a defense official who has been verified as being in a position to have access to the UAPTF intelligence reports. Additionally, the same two officials with the DoD, and one from the U.S. Intelligence community with whom we previously spoke, confirmed that the leaked image is the same photo provided in a 2018 intelligence position report issued by the UAPTF.

The photo itself is said to be considered “Unclassified and For Official Use Only,” however, because the image and accompanying report were shared on a secure Intelligence Community network, the officials we spoke with would only acknowledge it under strict conditions of anonymity. Prior to any agreement, The Debrief did verify these sources were in fact in positions within the U.S. Intelligence Community and under the authority of the U.S. Director of National Intelligence.

The Debrief reached out to Pentagon spokeswoman Susan Gough for clarification about the photo, who on December 3, 2020, responded to our questions via email.

“To maintain operations security and to avoid disclosing information that may be useful to potential adversaries, DOD does not discuss publicly the details of reports, observations or examinations of reported incursions into our training ranges or designated airspace, including those incursions initially designated as UAP,” Gough’s reply read.

According to officials The Debrief spoke with, the photo appears to be the same as one referenced in our previous reporting, described as an “unidentified silver ‘cube-shaped’ object” encountered by military pilots as it hovered motionlessly over the ocean. It appears evident that the image was captured by the backseat weapons systems operator of what appears to be an F/A-18 fighter jet.

The photo is consistent with the claims that the image was captured by a pilot using their personal cell phone. Officials we spoke with said the image was captured in 2018 off the East Coast of the United States.

While details are difficult to make out, the image appears to depict an inverted bell-shaped object, which is not readily identifiable given the photo’s context. The object appears to possess ridges or other protrusions along its lateral edges, extending toward its base.

The object bears at least some resemblance to a GPS dropsonde, an atmospheric profiling device designed to be dropped from aircraft. However, notably absent in the pilot’s photo is the GPS receiver which trails below a dropsonde’s square-cone parachute.

The Debrief reached out to Terry Hock, In-situ Sensing Facility (ISF) Manager at the National Center for Atmospheric Research’s Earth Observing Laboratory, about whether the object in the photo resembled any recognizable atmospheric research equipment.

“In regards to the photo, while the image of the object is not clear, it certainly does not look like a dropsonde,” Hock told The Debrief, “because there are no signs of a dropsonde below the object where the object could potentially be a parachute, and it does not have the right shape.”

“Dropsonde are dropped into hurricanes over water, not over military bases,” Hock added. “A dropsonde decent is ~15 m/s, thus it would be very brief for a pilot to see and there would obviously need to be an aircraft above the Navy aircraft which could be confirmed with ATC.”

In Hock’s opinion, the object most closely resembles a mylar balloon.

“There are scientific research groups that do launch balloons which they refer to as drifters,” Hock told us. “[T]his may be a possibility.”

Another possibility is that the photo depicts some variety of military radar-reflector or research balloon. However, two defense officials we spoke with said pilots who encountered the object described that, unlike a balloon under similar conditions, the object was completely motionless and seemingly unaffected by ambient air currents.

While they did not describe the photo as compelling, all three officials we spoke with seemed dismissive of the idea that it depicts a balloon. According to these sources, the photo would not have been issued if there were reasonable estimates that the object was a balloon, given the nature of the intelligence report in which it appeared.

The Debrief has not been able to speak with any of the pilots involved, in order to confirm the accounts described in the intelligence reports. In 2018, the Navy changed its guidelines concerning the reporting of unknown objects by military personnel, and the surfacing of this photograph seems to indicate that some aviators are coming forward with sighting reports.

It was also expressed to us that the photo is not related to an image provided in a separate intelligence report released earlier this summer, as reported previously by The Debrief. Officials who had seen that report said it contained an image of a large equilateral triangle with rounded or “blunted” edges and large, perfectly spherical white illuminated areas in each corner. The image of the large triangular craft was said to have been captured in 2019.

Earlier this year, the Pentagon officially released three videos of what they say show “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” captured in 2004 and 2015. The newly leaked photo of the balloon-like object is said to have been captured in 2018.

The Debrief will continue to provide updates on this story as more information is obtained. If readers have more information concerning similar UAP reports, images, or videos, please contact The Debrief at [email protected].



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Well, do we have anti-grav yet?

I took 2 weeks of vacation, and since I wasn't wasting time at work I didn't log in to keep up with our alien neighbors, but I sort of expected that we'd have some cool new tech or verified aliens or something by now. All I got was a Transformers balloon pic :(
 
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Well, do we have anti-grav yet?

I took 2 weeks of vacation, and since I wasn't wasting time at work I didn't log in to keep up with our alien neighbors, but I sort of expected that we'd have some cool new tech or verified aliens or something by now. All I got was a Transformers balloon pic :(

 
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I call your dubious invention, and raise you!

 
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An official military audio recording of a ufo incident out of Cali and they call for the on-duty UFO officer? An interesting case with the star eye witness from the recordings.
 
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