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Khane said:
That's not it at all. Im playing a game, with 4 other people. That's what I'm playing the game for, I'm social, I'm not an entertainer. Having hundreds of other people in the audience is not something I'm interested in. Games are relaxation for me.
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Right but if he's streaming, they're focused on him and you're not even a a factor other than being a warm body filling a group spot. Unless of course, he's trying to push some sort of interaction between the group and the viewers and then I completely agree with your viewpoint.
 
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That's faces/private information stuff though. If releases aren't signed, they can still be filmed but faces have to be blurred. Most streamers block text windows in wow streams anyway. usually with face cam or a graphic etc.

And blocked or not, pretty sure no streamer or their viewers give a shit about what anyone but the streamer is doing in a raid or group unless the streamer is a jackass and calls it out. Hard to see them moving, and most block the text window with facecam or graphic. At most it would be damage meters being seen.

If viewers were to do any shit talking, it would be to the streamer themselves in game after finding the server etc. Far more epeen flexing/attention whoring to compare themselves to the guy actually broadcasting.

And not that I'm unfamiliar with performance anxiety in a game. I get it bad when apping to a guild or something along those lines and doing the first raid.
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It was just meant to illustrate what it'd feel like, not the legality
 
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Heh, the one time I messed around w/ GTA RP I wasn't expecting to get into the server and before I knew it I was driving a taxi w/ a streamer in the car. Later went and watched it and had no idea how poorly setup my microphone was, 1000 people in chat just eviscerating me. Fun times.

Haven't done it again.
 
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Tarisk said:
Right but if he's streaming, they're focused on him and you're not even a a factor other than being a warm body filling a group spot. Unless of course, he's trying to push some sort of interaction between the group and the viewers and then I completely agree with your viewpoint.
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I'm not saying it's logical, or even reasonable. It's just the way it is for me when I know a well known streamer is in my group.
 
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Heh, the one time I messed around w/ GTA RP I wasn't expecting to get into the server and before I knew it I was driving a taxi w/ a streamer in the car. Later went and watched it and had no idea how poorly setup my microphone was, 1000 people in chat just eviscerating me. Fun times.

Haven't done it again.
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This would get me bad too. Not just the mic setup but RP'ing. I've tried doing GTA RP before too and when you get some amazing content creators on there. I'd be both star struck and terrified that I couldn't keep up. And I had the severe anxiety with nobodies and general interaction.
 
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There is a trick to all this

"Fuck what anyone else thinks"
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Brilliant advice. It's a wonder why nobody ever tries this. "Just don't do that thing that is bothering you" Motherfucking Dr. Phil right here.

We all process this sort of shit differently. For some, being exposed to people is never an issue (absence of it can be) and for some it's a shitty experience. Learning to not give a fuck about what people think takes time and practice for people who are sensitive to it, but in situations like this where it's a really abnormal level of exposure, it's not going to be something that can just be switched off.

That said, you can't expect people to work their lives around what you are or are not comfortable with. It's your responsibility to remove yourself from those situations and not expect others to accommodate you.
 
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Khane said:
As someone who is older and is relatively private about my personal life (no social media accounts at all, hate non-candid photos, etc) I think I am starting to hate twitch. I like watching certain WoW streamers who run high M+ keys because that's what I like to do but yesterday AutomatikJak joined one of my groups and I instantly realized I was going to be watched and judged by hundreds of people. That's not a lot, and it shouldn't matter at all, but it sucked the enjoyment right out of the game and the run for me. I played pretty poorly as a result.

If I suddenly got into a group with someone who had thousands or tens of thousands of viewers? Fuck that. I don't want people creating level 1 characters on my server just to tell me they saw me on stream and that I suck.
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I really do wonder about the legality of it all in two party consent states.
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There is a trick to all this

"Fuck what anyone else thinks"
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All true except in the age of burn people at the stake for a joke do you really want your life ruined because you made a joke when some jerk off in your group or raid was streaming?

It's honestly something I've thought about myself. I really don't like the implications. At the very least it needs to be known if someone is streaming.
 
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It is easy. Presume nothing is anon, your HR department is watching, and act accordingly.
 
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I really do wonder about the legality of it all in two party consent states.

All true except in the age of burn people at the stake for a joke do you really want your life ruined because you made a joke when some jerk off in your group or raid was streaming?

It's honestly something I've thought about myself. I really don't like the implications. At the very least it needs to be known if someone is streaming.
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I mean I can't imagine that the majority of people on this board didn't grow up with friends who gave each other huge steaming piles of shit on a daily basis. We talked so much shit to each other it was unreal.

Don't get me wrong, I'm asocial. I accept praise poorly (as in how do you really react?! usually silence). I generally want little to do with people. Like 6 months ago or something there was an NVidia PUBG thing where it was streamer vs streamer, and the rest of the game was filled with subs. I played most of the game in ChocoTaco vs Viss. At one point apparently Viss was spectating me and commenting on play. It was the neatest shit ever to be able to go back and watch that multiple times to see what he saw, hear what he would do.

idk. I mean, I get it, people are wired differently. The thing is, when you let other people dictate how you feel and act by the things they do and say, you are letting them control your life and lowering your own quality of life. /shrug. The best thing you can do for your own state of mind is just not care what other people think.
 
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It's an interesting topic, especially since it could have a dramatic impact on someone's livelihood. Is the streamer responsible if his spectators turn hostile towards someone he/she groups with.
 
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It's an interesting topic, especially since it could have a dramatic impact on someone's livelihood. Is the streamer responsible if his spectators turn hostile towards someone he/she groups with.
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I think that's been discussed in the past and as I can't remember if Twitch actually does hold the streamer's accountable for the actions of their viewers. I think I have seen that they have in the past but can't remember the specifics. I think if anything, the streamer can't incite them to go harass people, but can't do much other than ask/remind people not to do it.

I know when watching one of my fav GTA RP streamers he has to constantly ask people to not go harass the cops for the choices they make (though one deserves it. She shot one of his chars in the head when he was unarmed and fleeing, not to mention other crap like using /escort to instantly capture someone running) but otherwise, its like its just RP, they make a call and run with it. But people get involved and emotionally attached.

Same shit with Joffrey's actor in GoT, guy was getting death threats because people hated the character so much. Logic goes out the window when emotions are involved.
 
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There is a trick to all this

"Fuck what anyone else thinks"
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We have a name in polite society for people who actually don't care what anyone else thinks.

Sociopath.

I'm surprised this spurned so much discussion. I don't hold the streamer responsible for it because I can just choose to drop group and do something else. There is a social aspect of gaming that has gone completely awry and that's just being decent and respectful to people. The amount of venom and vitriol people spew in games over even minor things is outrageous. And Twitch, and streaming in general, seems to have exacerbated the problem by giving people, and I don't even mean the streamers themselves but even just their chat, a platform to be anonymous shitheads with a voice.

What stresses me out isn't performance anxiety, but rather anxiety about trying to keep myself calm and not overreact when someone starts raging or being a hateful prick. It immediately comes to mind that I am going to fuck something up minorly, which won't be a big deal, but then I'm going to have to tell some childish little prick to shut his mouth because he's acting like I just depleted the key. Shit goes wrong and I am not infallible. I'm a good player who makes mistakes all the time, like most people in my raider.io bracket. And when you run into this kind of behavior consistently, even when not playing with a streamer, having a streamer and all his viewers also watching compounds that stress 10 fold for me. My mind has already deemed it an inevitability and I can't help it.
 
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That's what performance anxiety is. Lol

Or stage fright.

I might be the same way, not saying it's a terminal flaw. Just pointing it out, because I found it humorous
 
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We have a name in polite society for people who actually don't care what anyone else thinks.

Sociopath.

I'm surprised this spurned so much discussion. I don't hold the streamer responsible for it because I can just choose to drop group and do something else. There is a social aspect of gaming that has gone completely awry and that's just being decent and respectful to people. The amount of venom and vitriol people spew in games over even minor things is outrageous. And Twitch, and streaming in general, seems to have exacerbated the problem by giving people, and I don't even mean the streamers themselves but even just their chat, a platform to be anonymous shitheads with a voice.

What stresses me out isn't performance anxiety, but rather anxiety about trying to keep myself calm and not overreact when someone starts raging or being a hateful prick. It immediately comes to mind that I am going to fuck something up minorly, which won't be a big deal, but then I'm going to have to tell some childish little prick to shut his mouth because he's acting like I just depleted the key. Shit goes wrong and I am not infallible. I'm a good player who makes mistakes all the time, like most people in my raider.io bracket. And when you run into this kind of behavior consistently, even when not playing with a streamer, having a streamer and all his viewers also watching compounds that stress 10 fold for me. My mind has already deemed it an inevitability and I can't help it.
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I feel like you don't actually enjoy the game you're playing and need to find something different. You're way too stressed out by this shit and should just find something actually enjoyable.
 
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Khane said:
We have a name in polite society for people who actually don't care what anyone else thinks.

Sociopath.

I'm surprised this spurned so much discussion. I don't hold the streamer responsible for it because I can just choose to drop group and do something else. There is a social aspect of gaming that has gone completely awry and that's just being decent and respectful to people. The amount of venom and vitriol people spew in games over even minor things is outrageous. And Twitch, and streaming in general, seems to have exacerbated the problem by giving people, and I don't even mean the streamers themselves but even just their chat, a platform to be anonymous shitheads with a voice.

What stresses me out isn't performance anxiety, but rather anxiety about trying to keep myself calm and not overreact when someone starts raging or being a hateful prick. It immediately comes to mind that I am going to fuck something up minorly, which won't be a big deal, but then I'm going to have to tell some childish little prick to shut his mouth because he's acting like I just depleted the key. Shit goes wrong and I am not infallible. I'm a good player who makes mistakes all the time, like most people in my raider.io bracket. And when you run into this kind of behavior consistently, even when not playing with a streamer, having a streamer and all his viewers also watching compounds that stress 10 fold for me. My mind has already deemed it an inevitability and I can't help it.
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Sounds to me like you're part of the problem. Doesn't matter that you are yelling at them, or that they started it first. You are responding to them the exact way they react to your "mess ups", and it's just an endless cycle of toxic shit.
 
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slippery said:
I feel like you don't actually enjoy the game you're playing and need to find something different. You're way too stressed out by this shit and should just find something actually enjoyable.
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Somewhat true but that's not really what we're talking about. There isn't really a way to get away from it when playing in groups at a somewhat high level. It's always the people who are right below the top tier (which includes myself) who seem to be the biggest offenders. They feel like they are good enough to be top tier, and the only reason they are not, is because everyone else sucks. And they take every opportunity they can to say so. The game itself is fun, dealing with people like this on a regular basis is not. The people who have made it to the top tier are far more laid back. They're already there, they've proven themselves. I think this holds true in any competitive ladder/rating system across any game.

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Sounds to me like you're part of the problem. Doesn't matter that you are yelling at them, or that they started it first. You are responding to them the exact way they react to your "mess ups", and it's just an endless cycle of toxic shit.
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I don't respond to them that way. It just takes effort to hold my tongue. Out in the real world people do not speak to each other that way, at least not as easily or as often. But because it happens so much it becomes something that sucks enjoyment out of the game. Everyone here has been in a guild with a person who is like that every raid night for instance. Not fun to deal with.
 
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Whelp, I'm about to watch a lot less twitch...



I wonder how long it will take people to figure out how to block these too.
 
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Meh. If they do it, they best get prepped for everybody to switch over to mixer. Agreed, it's not the best platform, but holy fuck.
 
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