Vanessa's Tranny AMA Blog Thread

hodj · Aug 30, 2019

You can hodj it til you're blue in the face, you can go read the thread yourself and see that I'm right,

hodj · Aug 30, 2019

Heres the link, have fun

The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

Let all Tanoomba's batshit insane ranting go in this thread.

www.firesofheaven.org

maskedmelon · Aug 30, 2019

Vanessa said:
Well flip this around into THIS possible scenario and you tell me if THIS is unethical and immoral:

A biological male child, from age 3 to 5 expresses gender incongruent behavior. The parents just watch, accept that children are just kooky and do kooky things and that's that.
From age 5 to 8 the child's gender expression grows as their understanding of gender becomes more complex and this behavior isn't desisting, but growing more pervasive. The parents continue to watch, have more concerns as that perhaps their son is merely a femme gay child, but still hold off on judgments and while they are loving and accepting of their son's behavior, have mounting concerns.
From 8 to 12 the adolescent is now calling themselves their chosen female name, insisting they are a female in a male body, dislike their penis and are talking about the wish to cut off their penis. The parents now reluctantly realize this goes beyond mere femme behavior and there is a real concern that their son is suffering from a mental illness.
From 12 onward puberty has started and the child is now becoming depressed and in fact suicidal because of these horrible changes that are, in their mind, afflicting their body... because girls don't get adam's apples, thick leg hair like Alice the Goon, more musculature than their female peers and the list goes on. The parents are now frustrated and angry, and tell their son that they are NOT a female, never will be, and they need to get over this obsession and refuse to take them to see any specialists whatsoever.

This being wrong would not make "treating your child with puberty blocker so long as they want them" necessarily right. They aren't binary alternatives.

I ask you: Is -this- ethical and moral for the parents to handle their child like this? Because I assure you... I have been in the trans community in the past longer than any of you combined and know that this story is more common that you realize.

You guys just don't know what it's like, and that's okay... I'm here to try to explain. If you disagree; okay. That's your prerogative. Unlike Hodj and Phaz and Zyyz and Punko, I'm not an SJW, so I'm not going to try and force my beliefs on how you raise your kids; I'll just sit on the sidelines, shaking my head at how you are abusing your child by not getting them the professional help they need.

Is this sarcasm? I don't understand what you are saying here.

You misunderstood I guess. What I meant is that, for the past 130+ pages, people (myself and the hatertots) have whittled down what is fact and fantasy by nitpicking this topic to death and the 80/20 issue is THE basest question concerning this topic.

I agree that this 80/20 fact is the fundamental objection. People want it to be 100/0, as do I. That is my goal as well, as indicated that I hope that in the future GD can be diagnosable by a simple blood test, but that is reaching for the stars right now. Maybe someday though.

There won't be, because there is no such thing as a "true tranny," just a collection of individuals who express gender incongruent behavior and are who afflicted with gender dysphoria to greater or lesser degrees. Making peace with oneself does not mean abandoning the girl or boy inside. It means figuring no out how to integrate that with the rest of who and what one is.

Punko · Aug 30, 2019

Vanessa said:
Thankfully society at large find YOUR attitude more revolting. Must suck being a bigot that can only share their true feelings online and not in society where normal people will see you for the hate-filled monster that you really are.

You simply can't reply to the questions I asked earlier.

At this point I can either insult you, which would be met with a 1200 word post with no content, or I can repeat the questions I asked before, and you'll ignore them.

Great conversation.

Punko · Aug 30, 2019

Vanessa said:
Well flip this around into THIS possible scenario and you tell me if THIS is unethical and immoral:

A biological male child, from age 3 to 5 expresses gender incongruent behavior.

You start this based on "gender incongruent behavior", after

chaos pointed out this is a term that isn't defined.

You completely ignored that remark, and carry on to use it as a base for further arguments.

chaos · Aug 30, 2019

maskedmelon said:
I know you had questioned whether or not someone would make their child NOT trans, but I restructured it in my response address gender dysphoria because there is an important point to be be made. Being transgendered (possessing qualities and behavioral tendicies generally associated with while also strongly identifying with the opposite sex) does not demand that one suffer from debilitating dysphoria. When it reaches the point unbearability, that's when you get promoted to "True Tranny," referenced by Vanessa. That's dangerous because it tells individuals that their experiences are false only if they don't chase them into despair.

The current perspective being advanced by "gender specialists," is that dysphoria is like some one way door with transition being the only way out. Certainly their are bound to be a handful of people who are incapable of learning to love themselves and embrace the beauty of their aberrant nature, but operating under the pretense that it is beyond most to do so, is a gross disservice to those who have to deal with this. Happiness doesn't not demand destroying one part of yourself to validate another. Integration should be emphasized much more than it is.

Back to my original question about eliminating dysphoria, there are no negative consequences to that in itself. It is purely a negative experience and eliminating it does not mean eliminating one's transgendered nature. It means integrating it (one's transgendered qualities) with the rest of onself. Asserting that medication/surgical intervention are the only ways out of dysphoria precludes the possibility of integration. Nobody wants to be dysphoric.

I agree with the rest of your sentiments to though. I think self is the presence all those things which shape your life experience and the absence of those which do not. It is ever expanding. The growth from contextualizing and incorporating new experiences, ideas and perspectives is something we should continually strive for.

So, I think that's an interesting question, about eliminating dysphoria. Iannis brought up autism earlier, and it made me think. Some people on these boards have stated they are probably somewhere on the spectrum, stuff just wasn't diagnosed as much back in our day. But if you look at those people they aren't unhappy fuckups, they're largely successful people, integrated into society. If the parents could have waved a magic wand and fixed that, would they still be the same people? Still be happy, successful? It's impossible to know.

The idea of integration is interesting. Practically, I'm not sure how that would work. At this point we really need to have our terms well defined. So gender dysphoria itself (accordingg to some definitions I read online) is the disrupted mental state cause by gender incongruence. Gender incongruence being the feeling or mental state that a person is the opposite gender of what their sex is. The dysphoria really is just a symptom of the incongruence, and you can see how they got to the solution that resolving the incongruence could be the key to overcoming dysphoria. But realistically, it doesn't seem to be successful, and there are all kinds of issues associated with the process itself. What would a process of integration that would address the gender incongruence look like in practice?

Erronius · Aug 30, 2019

Vanessa said:
Well flip this around into THIS possible scenario and you tell me if THIS is unethical and immoral:

A biological male child, from age 3 to 5 expresses gender incongruent behavior. The parents just watch, accept that children are just kooky and do kooky things and that's that.
From age 5 to 8 the child's gender expression grows as their understanding of gender becomes more complex and this behavior isn't desisting, but growing more pervasive. The parents continue to watch, have more concerns as that perhaps their son is merely a femme gay child, but still hold off on judgments and while they are loving and accepting of their son's behavior, have mounting concerns.
From 8 to 12 the adolescent is now calling themselves their chosen female name, insisting they are a female in a male body, dislike their penis and are talking about the wish to cut off their penis. The parents now reluctantly realize this goes beyond mere femme behavior and there is a real concern that their son is suffering from a mental illness.
From 12 onward puberty has started and the child is now becoming depressed and in fact suicidal because of these horrible changes that are, in their mind, afflicting their body... because girls don't get adam's apples, thick leg hair like Alice the Goon, more musculature than their female peers and the list goes on. The parents are now frustrated and angry, and tell their son that they are NOT a female, never will be, and they need to get over this obsession and refuse to take them to see any specialists whatsoever.

I ask you: Is -this- ethical and moral for the parents to handle their child like this? Because I assure you... I have been in the trans community in the past longer than any of you combined and know that this story is more common that you realize.

If GD is a mental illness, then I'd prefer a treatment of the mental illness itself, rather than attempting to tailor everything to their gender identity on the back-end. If GD is the end result of some odd combination of genetic expression, then I'd prefer to address that directly.

But AFAIK we aren't close to either, so we're just left with what are (to me) a collection of poor choices. And even if they were workable solutions, we'd have people opposing treatment on the grounds that it's a 'genocide against the Trans community'.

As far as ethics/morality is concerned...I think that's kind of a bullshit question, unless the parents KNOW that their kids have GD and just oppose treatment out of malice or spite. If they're both well-meaning AND unswervingly ignorant...how can that be unethical or immoral? I mean, you mention the Trans community here...but let's be honest...of **COURSE** that community (cough) is going to see it that way. There's inherent bias there.

That's not to say that the actions of the parents are laudable...surely at some point they should have considered professional help (unless they live in Goatfuckistan), but unethical/immoral?

Asmadai · Aug 30, 2019

Vanessa said:
My brother had a mental episode because he ran out of weed and I'm not going up there alone. I'm so bummed out about it... I feel like I'm missing a hella good time up there.

Yes, it was clearly the lack of weed, not the blatantly obvious fact that mental illness must run in your family, you fucking nutjob.

Now quick, go find your sticky note that reminds you what joke to use depending on who responds, and call me insignificant or whatever repetitive bullshit your retarded ass can come up with. It really gets under my skin.

DickTrickle · Aug 30, 2019

Punko said:
I'm genuinely interested though, Vanessa

How do you rationalize the fact that literally noone agrees with you?

Have you even considered this?

I gotta say this is kind of a dumb argument. If you go on some super liberal forum and say Trump is awesome, probably no one there would agree with that. The same could be said for a lot of such examples.

wormie · Aug 30, 2019

Tranny treatment:

Haus · Aug 30, 2019

I have a theory.... This is the 4d chess game

Vanessa is trying for...

1. Participate in AMA thread...
2. Keep pushing the autists until it gets shawed...
3. Keep pushing the autists until it becomes the most active thread over the Saltitorium.
4. ...
5.

hodj head assplode...
6. Declare victory.

I'd say we're in step 4 right now.

Haus · Aug 31, 2019

You know

hodj ... The thread got moved... you followed it... yet you won't wear the Tranny chaser title proudly? It's OK dude, we only judge a little here....

chaos · Aug 31, 2019

Erronius said:
If GD is a mental illness, then I'd prefer a treatment of the mental illness itself, rather than attempting to tailor everything to their gender identity on the back-end. If GD is the end result of some odd combination of genetic expression, then I'd prefer to address that directly.

But AFAIK we aren't close to either, so we're just left with what are (to me) a collection of poor choices. And even if they were workable solutions, we'd have people opposing treatment on the grounds that it's a 'genocide against the Trans community'.

As far as ethics/morality is concerned...I think that's kind of a bullshit question, unless the parents KNOW that their kids have GD and just oppose treatment out of malice or spite. If they're both well-meaning AND unswervingly ignorant...how can that be unethical or immoral? I mean, you mention the Trans community here...but let's be honest...of **COURSE** that community (cough) is going to see it that way. There's inherent bias there.

That's not to say that the actions of the parents are laudable...surely at some point they should have considered professional help (unless they live in Goatfuckistan), but unethical/immoral?

The more I think about it and the more I read, the more I do think is you're imposing treatment on a kid you're acting unethically and immorally, period. I mean, I'm probably one of the most liberal motherfuckers on this board. If not the most. But the issue of agency can't be avoided, and in reality there's no such thing as perfect knowledge. IO feel like I am spending too much time on this topic but I also feel like she just doesn't get it either.

Feanor · Aug 31, 2019

Hodj is nothing like Tanoomba.

Tan was an earnest debater, he never let a single thing slide and he wanted to teach everyone how to think.

Hodj is not debating at all and making fun of shit he obviously disagrees with.

It is also kind of pathetic the way moonbat keeps getting mentioned like an endless legendary villain. Fuck him and forget him. He won apparently, we still talk about him.

Part of what is happening is related to fanatical feminism and postmodernism. Nothing is real hence nothing is wrong hence everything is right. Soon we might tell people that the voices in their heads are real and it is immoral to deny them pilot licenses and shit because who are we to deny them. They might put themselves and others at risk but who are we to dictate reality. You too can surgically become a dolphin person with x-ray vision. In the future you can pay for enhancements. Postmodernism and philosophical deconstruction is gaslighting reality.

I agree with chaos. Everything he's said is what I said.

Feanor said:
All of this data relates to the post I made here.

Would you permit adolescent cosmetic surgery, ears, breasts, nose, whatever, in cases of acute distress? Federal government should stay out of it and it is an issue for parents to decide. That said, I would err on the side of self-acceptance as stated and think it is far less irresponsible to wait till a person is of age to make their own choices, which they are perfectly entitled to. The benefits of hormone blockers at an early age do not outweigh the necessity of personal agency and adulthood in making your own choices. Parents, teachers, doctors, whoever, can guide you but should never get to decide who you are. That one is up to you.

Feanor said:
Skimmed through several posts from the last thirty pages or so over a few days, specifically the ones covering puberty inhibitors and alleged reassignment efficacy.

Whining about ratings is the pinnacle of pussyshit. Congratulations, you have just graduated to morton levels of salty dick in your mouth. Cry more.

This is one reason why parents are responsible for choosing the right treatment and why federal laws do not constrain nor prohibit states. Like age of consent in cosmetic, not reconstructive, surgery for teenagers suffering from body dysmorphia.

The final point is one I don't think you disagree with. Permitting kids to reach the age of majority isn't harmful, the onset of puberty as a natural process isn't harmful, the benefits of puberty blockers don't outweigh the risks therefore adulthood and self-determined treatment is rational.

I also don't agree with dogpiling Vanessa. But I think Vanessa enjoys it which is why he/she/it continues typing novellas about it honk motherfucking honk.

hodj · Aug 31, 2019

A tranny enjoying being gang banged?

Not plausible. Clearly.

Feanor · Aug 31, 2019

Vanessa · Sep 1, 2019

chaos said:
Earlier in the thread I mentioned something about how there's no way this is common practice or knowledge, still believe that. But Lithose pointed out there's some trans person on TV named Jazz who started puberty blockers at 11. There's tons of articles online about 10 year olds being prescribed that stuff. Thing is, it doesn't really matter, that's kind of quibbling over minor points. 10 or 16, the fact is that this is being done to them, they are not making a choice to receive treatment.

Well Jazz is a minor celebrity at this point yeah. I saw her guest spot on the "What Would You Do?" segment recently.

Does Jazz Jennings appear to be harmed by puberty blockers to you? Because all I see is a happy, vibrant person.

In that video, when Jazz's mom was asked by the reporter, "You've had to put up with a lot of withering criticism. What, after all these years, do you say to people that still have those doubts?" her reply was "I'd rather have a living daughter than a dead son".

You say, "They are not making a choice to receive treatment". Well, yeah, they're not signing all the LEGAL paperwork and HIPAA forms and such... that's what parents do for any treatment their child gets, but the child certainly has a say through this process about what they feel, think and are.

Punko said:
You simply can't reply to the questions I asked earlier.

Can't =/= Won't

Unsure why this is difficult for you to grasp. I WON'T reply to your questions because you're a vapor to me. A wisp. A puff of smoke. Nothing. You're like this:

I'm happy to entertain other people's questions; not yours.

hodj said:
Heres the link, have fun

The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

Let all Tanoomba's batshit insane ranting go in this thread.

www.firesofheaven.org

I skimmed a bit last night before I went to bed; shuffled around to different chunks of pages like page 20, page 100, page 150, page 250 etc to get a more complete snapshot of the thread; all I saw was two autists trying to out-autist the other for 300 pages. It was pretty pitiful but it makes sense why Ryanz said this on page ONE of this thread:

Thanks for the context Hodj... all you did was show that you're THAT annoying dork in school who goes up to people sticking his fingers in their face going "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!" So if your mission for linking that thread was to make me want to pity you even MORE, congrats, it worked

Asmadai said:
Yes, it was clearly the lack of weed, not the blatantly obvious fact that mental illness must run in your family, you fucking nutjob.

Now quick, go find your sticky note that reminds you what joke to use depending on who responds, and call me insignificant or whatever repetitive bullshit your retarded ass can come up with. It really gets under my skin.

I'm not trying to get under your skin, just telling the truth. You're a nobody here on these forums. You could go away for 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year with the same result: No one would ever say, "Where'd Asmadai go???" I'm glad to know I can share that fact and it not bother you, honestly, because it's not like I feel GOOD about hurting people's feelings and I thought maybe it would, but you stating that it doesn't makes me feel okay about saying it now.

Oh, and yeah, crazy does run in our family. My brother's crazy is different from my crazy of course. Both of us understand each other and neither tries to dwell on the mote in the others eye while carrying the beam in our own (Bible reference, you may not understand it). But point in fact, my trip up to the parade WAS ruined because he ran out of weed and had a mini-crisis due to that (weed calms him down). I forgive him for his issues, it's nbd. I could care less if you believe me or not.

DickTrickle said:
I gotta say this is kind of a dumb argument. If you go on some super liberal forum and say Trump is awesome, probably no one there would agree with that. The same could be said for a lot of such examples.

Bingo. I'm curious if some of the people who almost LIVE on these forums realize that this (FoH) is an echo chamber in and of itself. People have sent me PM's expressing their distaste that this forum has become such a right-wing slanted site. To which I think, well... it is exactly that, and why I feel at home (politically and ideologically) LoL. I just realize with the trans shit, that that is almost exclusively a left-wing "domain" and so as a trans conservative I get disagreements from both sides about my life and my views and that's okay... I'm a big girl with thick skin that can argue right back.

Erronius said:
If GD is a mental illness, then I'd prefer a treatment of the mental illness itself, rather than attempting to tailor everything to their gender identity on the back-end. If GD is the end result of some odd combination of genetic expression, then I'd prefer to address that directly.

Of COURSE it's a mental illness. I think you just have the left trying to get it de-classified as a mental illness because it hurts their feels~ I was at work and there was a shiny new college level textbook on "Abnormal Psychology" that I picked up. I said to myself, GD has GOT to be in here, so I thumbed through the index and sure enough... it had a few pages talking about it. I mean, anyone being honest about it knows it's a mental illness, or at the very least a mental condition (if the words "mental illness" trigger you lefties).

But keep in mind that there is research indicating that there is a genetic/biological basis for GD too (as I have linked) so when I say that, yes, it's a mental illness, it's a mental illness that is formed in utero, no different than kids with autism or anything that afflicts people for their whole lives mentally.

Erronius said:
But AFAIK we aren't close to either, so we're just left with what are (to me) a collection of poor choices. And even if they were workable solutions, we'd have people opposing treatment on the grounds that it's a 'genocide against the Trans community'.

Yeah that's how the trans community would see it, but a cure is a cure.

I mean, look at it this way: I have said on here that there are true trannies and there are frauds out there merely jumping on the trans train (i.e. non-binary xher/xhe pronoun Tumblr types) to be cool. I'm gonna make a wild analogy here but bare with me...........

Let's pretend that being a tranny is like being an X-Men mutant (there's a built in joke here already for you guys... have fun!). There are true mutants in the world, and there are regular humans who think it's "hip" to be mutants so they inject themselves with something to be mutants. The true trannies like myself, Blaire White, Jazz Jennings, Caitlyn Jenner and such who medically transition from male to female are like the true mutants while the non-binary xher/xhe pronoun dropping snowflakes who call themselves trans and don't even medically transition are like the regular humans who just want to be mutants. Not born with it.

If a "cure" for being a mutant was found to exist, don't you think it would be the frauds who would be the staunchest to be AGAINST it? Because... they don't want to be cured... they are frauds that want to be mutants.

The mere fact that I have said I didn't want this life but I had no choice in the matter, AND that I would fucking WELCOME a cure for gender dysphoria should one arise (I mean one besides a complete social transition from one gender to the other like we have now) should tell you... everything I have told you guys about this condition and about this life is true and I'm being sincere.

chaos said:
The more I think about it and the more I read, the more I do think is you're imposing treatment on a kid you're acting unethically and immorally, period.

Well yes, if people are imposing treatment on a kid, it's unethical and immoral. That's what I've been saying too. Let's be VERY specific about that word "imposing" so we're not arguing semantics here. Imposing, as I define it, means "forcing upon". If a parent is forcing gender issues on their normal child or trying to alter their child's natural behavior, THAT is fucked up and abusive and the parent needs to lose a head, French Guillotine style. That is child abuse, bar none. IF the gender issues are stemming from the child and the parents are merely reacting to that and trying to quell their kid's issues, then that is simply being a caring and concerned parent.

However, if you're saying that even if the gender issues are stemming from the child, the child grows up into adolescence, and the gender issues persist and the parents do NOTHING about it, causing their kid to become miserable and suicidal as puberty hits and the parents STILL do nothing about it and just tell the child that they're a pansy and they gotta deal with their shit like a man because they're a man, not a woman and that that's okay, well that's where I draw the line myself and say that you're being a shitty parent for not supporting your kids with their issues.

chaos said:
I mean, I'm probably one of the most liberal motherfuckers on this board. If not the most.

You have my sympathies LoL

chaos said:
But the issue of agency can't be avoided, and in reality there's no such thing as perfect knowledge. IO feel like I am spending too much time on this topic but I also feel like she just doesn't get it either.

If you're saying that puberty blockers should be banned altogether because it allows the potential for twisted parents to FORCE gender transition upon non-transgender kids just to be "woke", then I DO get the message you and others are saying. Is that what you mean when you say "she just doesn't get it either" ?

Feanor said:
I also don't agree with dogpiling Vanessa. But I think Vanessa enjoys it which is why he/she/it continues typing novellas about it honk motherfucking honk.

LoL, truth be told I don't ENJOY it; I just have no qualms throwing shit right back at them... my skin is thick enough for it, unlike our previous trannies here on the forum. I'm simply a litmus test for hateful fucks in this thread. If you're a hateful fuck, I'm a hateful fuck right back toward you. If you're a cool chill person, I'm a cool chill person. I react to YOU, how YOU react to ME. It's pretty simple.

Punko · Sep 1, 2019

Vanessa said:
If you're saying that puberty blockers should be banned altogether because it allows the potential for twisted parents to FORCE gender transition upon non-transgender kids just to be "woke", then I DO get the message you and others are saying. Is that what you mean when you say "she just doesn't get it either" ?

The discussion takes an unexpected turn to the left!

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iannis · Sep 1, 2019

Children don't have agency. It's one of the things that makes them children.

It takes at least fifteen years to develop it socially, longer if you want to link it into biology.

There is not a potential for parents to abuse their children with puberty blockers, there is no alternative to it.

hodj · Sep 1, 2019

No one read a word of that post. Not a word. 9000 words, saying nothing. As I quoted to

Tanoomba in his own thread from Macbeth

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing "

I'm sure the post is nothing but 100% pure projection, without even reading it.

Vanessa you have a perfect opportunity to prove you aren't just here to use the community for whatever you can get from it, by joining the guild in wow classic and being an actual member of this community.

Instead you're here trying to win an argument you'll never win, could never win, from the start.

The

Tanoomba comparison isn't just apt. Its dead on.

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