Vanessa's Tranny AMA Blog Thread
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Must be god's punishment for something. I can't think of a reason a christian god would punish a tranny worshipper. Can you guys?Facts don't care about your feelings sir.
My water heater release valve did blow off at 3:15 this morning flooding my place and causing water damage to my neighbor below so yeah I am a bit stressed but losing my mind to dismantle a Godless liar? You guys get owned by me repeatedly and come back for more... it's a sickness on y'alls part
Vanessa
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I hadn't read the complete research at that time. The research I read indicated puberty blockers were relatively safe for adolescents sans bone mineral issues, and hormones were quite effective for adolescents. Adolescents =/= children. Adolescents =/= kids. This is the narrative that is pushed by ignorant people like Booze and his ilk.
Since reading the research I realized the crux of ALL of this is accurate diagnosis and have since refined my philosophy of psychotherapy until better means of diagnosis is available. Once these people are adults (18+) then it's their choice of what they want to do with their bodies. The only exception to that is if said adolescents are Gender Dysphoric to the point that NOT getting these drugs may cause them to commit self-harm or commit suicide. I don't think evil, bigoted people like my hatertots would care one iota about that (therefore proving that their agenda isn't about OMG THINK OF THE KIDS) but eliminating any and all trans folk from existence.
I changed my mind based on more data than when I initially made the quote Chaos had to do extensive backtracking to quote me saying "I support the use of puberty blockers". I mean I technically do, but under VERY specific situations where the harm of the adolescent becomes an issue. As one parent of a trans-teen has said: I'd rather support my child being transgender than risk my child being dead.
See how much effective that explanation is when you (Lend) don't come at me with vile rhetoric and simply and calmly address me?
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
IS THAT FUCKING CLEAR BOOZE YOU SICK FUCKING RETARD???
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Asshat wormie
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Vanessa
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This is the complete quote with the quote Chaos had to DIG FOR that states "I'm pro blockers for transgender children"
The date was March 24th, 2019. This is from the GG/SJW thread that was me simply explaining WHY blockers were used at all because it was obvious to me that people didn't even know WHY they were used at all. This triggered everyone because most people in that thread hate trannies and it shows.
Please (anyone) explain how if this was my agenda, it took Chaos fishing back HUNDREDS of my posts to find this buried in a huge paragraph when I told him to find evidence of me "wanting to pump kids full of hormones" ? That's a shitload of fishing for something that supposedly "everyone knew was my stance" when he could have merely gone back 20 pages or so HERE in this thread to find it.
Well the answer is VERY clear... this was before I was forced to find evidence supporting my assertion. Which I found. Which I linked. Which drove the hatertots even MORE in a frenzy because, guess what... peer-reviewed studies > your ignorance. Plain and simple. I live the life. I know trans-shit better than ANYONE here but even I was NOT aware at the time of this post that 80% of kids will outgrow dysphoria. This is a huge problem and one I'm not comfortable with, so I changed my mind. This is what rational, intelligent people do: change their mind in light of additional or conflicting evidence.
^ This quote is the start of the great 100ish page debate going back and forth about the issue that clearly to this day retards like Booze like to bring up to slander me. The date was April 16th, 2019. Neither of these posts were edited. This is the time-line of things. He and others like him deny evidence and facts... they just push their feels... it's very sad.
I was once a baby who drank a bottle... you gonna start pushing that lie that I drink a bottle too Booze? You are a dysfunctional, hateful and unintelligent cur of the highest tier. Get wrecked. (Also LoL @ your infraction... you are such a gaping, losing pussy)
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Btw, it was way more than that. We had a running discussion in this thread for pages about it, where you coined the term "real trannies" in relation to your support for using puberty blockers on kids, and you stated over and over that it has no harmful effects, clearly wrong. I only quoted the one post because tbh if this is how you operate I'm not really interested in engaging with you about this.
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Vanessa
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Yet you did anyway to find that one... a quote that was MONTHS old which, to repeat because you all just seem a bit dense: I wasn't aware there was a serious diagnosis and outgrowing GD problem at play at the time.
/cracks knuckles
Sure buddy... was clearly a quick search for someone who, YOU CLAIMED:
Get wrecked
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Oh wait, that's right... you too, Chaos, are a Godless and unintelligent swine who doesn't understand the nuance of me stating that research shows that puberty blockers are effective to true trannies and instead took that to mean "I WANT KIDS TO BE PUMPED FULL OF HORMONES".
Your intelligence is lacking, and your understanding of nuance is even more lacking.
Your intelligence is lacking, and your understanding of nuance is even more lacking.
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Let's repost one of my favorite posts of all time so you mentally deficient monkeys can swallow these hard facts one more time. Denying clinical research is tantamount to denying reality, living in delusion, and being, quite frankly, ignorant. Enjoy your blissful ignorance while I will enjoy being on the side of the practices of civil society.
Let's start with this one basic fact: I'm the only one providing links, citations and references about all of this. Go me.
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Fact: Gender Dysphoria is a real, mental illness (or condition / problem etc.)
O <---click me
Transsexualism (ICD-10),[1] or gender identity disorder (DSM-IV),[2] is a condition in which a person's gender identity - the sense of being a man or a woman - contradicts his or her bodily sex characteristics. The individual experiences gender dysphoria and desires to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex.
O <---click me
Gender dysphoria is a discomfiting mental state associated with a disparity between one's internal sense of being either male or female and one's external anatomical sexual characteristics. Because most persons have never experienced such a disparity, perhaps one could empathize by imagining what it would be like for a man to wake up one morning to discover that his penis was gone. Further, imagine that it had been replaced by a vagina, with enlarged breasts on the chest. Surely, the man would feel extremely uncomfortable; manifesting a strong desire to change his body; a desire that is far more intense than a simple cosmetic desire. One could similarly imagine the inverse scenario for a woman. Such intense discomfort, accompanied by a desire for change, is the hallmark of gender dysphoria.
O <---click me
The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)1 defines gender dysphoria (GD) as a condition in which a person has marked incongruence between the expressed or experienced gender and the biological sex at birth. This causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning. Individuals with GD experience a strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from their assigned gender) and/or to be rid of their sex characteristics, and/or the strong conviction of having feelings and reactions typical of the other gender (or some alternative gender).
O <---click me
Gender dysphoria (GD) represents a condition where a person's gender assigned at birth and the gender with which they identify themselves are incongruent. Hence, these individuals can be very uncomfortable with their biological sex, primary and secondary sex characteristics, and social gender roles and they experience various levels of distress.
O <---click me
This paper is heavily focused on trans voice, but still states:
"Gender dysphoria (also known as “transsexualism”) is characterized as a discrepancy between anatomical sex and gender identity. Research points towards neurobiological influences."
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Fact: Social transition is the "cure" for GD and is the best treatment for GD (thus far).
O <---click me
One hundred ninety-one had been men with female surgical reassignment. One hundred thirty-three had been women with male surgical reassignment. In most cases, such surgery had diminished the distress of gender dysphoria.
O <---click me
Even though surgery and hormonal therapy alleviates gender dysphoria, it is apparently not sufficient to remedy the high rates of morbidity and mortality found among transsexual persons.
O <---click me
This search found a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals.
O <---click me
Although many studies have reported psychiatric and psychological improvement after hormonal and/or surgical treatment,[7], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16] other have reported on regrets,[17] psychiatric morbidity, and suicide attempts after SRS.[9], [18] A recent systematic review and meta-analysis concluded that approximately 80% reported subjective improvement in terms of gender dysphoria, quality of life, and psychological symptoms, but also that there are studies reporting high psychiatric morbidity and suicide rates after sex reassignment.
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Fact: Children exhibiting gender "issues" pre-puberty will, 80% of the time, resolve these issues via puberty.
O <---click me
In contrast to the first two models, no assumption is made that every child exhibiting a gender nonconforming presentation is in need of mental health treatment.
O <---click me
Children represent a small number of individuals with gender dysphoria and in only 10-20% of the children, gender dysphoria will continue to manifest in adolescence
O <---click me
Many individuals continue renegotiating their gender throughout childhood or adulthood, with no observable detriment to their mental health
O <---click me
Evidence from the 10 available prospective follow-up studies from childhood to adolescence (reviewed in the study by Ristori and Steensma28) indicates that for ~80% of children who meet the criteria for GDC, the GD recedes with puberty.
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Fact: In cases of true trans-kids, puberty blockers are both beneficial and effective.
O <---click me
Reports of the outcomes of puberty suppression treatment in adolescents have shown reasonable safety and good outcomes regarding patient satisfaction and psychosocial functioning
O <---click me
In the Dutch authors’ words, the treatment, including puberty suppression, cross-sex hormones, and then in adulthood gender affirmation surgery, “leads to improved psychological functioning of transgender adolescents. While enabling them to make important age-appropriate developmental transitions, it contributes to a satisfactory objective and subjective well-being in young adulthood”.33 The authors propose that not only early medical intervention, but also a comprehensive multidisciplinary approach contributes to the youth’s gender health.
O <---click me
However, psychological therapy and support are highly recommended; while such services are now far more widely available, they are still insufficient to provide for complete wellbeing of these patients. Inadequate management of children with persistent gender dysphoria can lead to isolation, feeling of self-hatred, and suicidal ideas and attempts. Also, “passing through the wrong puberty” can have serious consequences for these individuals. Viable treatment options vary from fully reversible treatment, such as puberty-suppressing gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogues (GnRH) to partly reversible treatment, gonadal steroid treatment, as well as irreversible treatment, such as surgical removal of genitalia and reconstruction of new ones according to the desired gender.
De Vries et al. were the first to introduce the concept and research on the use of puberty blockers for treatment of transgender youth. The main idea behind the suppression of endogenous puberty was to decrease distress by preventing the development of “noncongruent” secondary sexual characteristics. This would give young individuals more time to get accustomed to their situation and to better explore their gender. In the examined group, all of 70 eligible candidates showed improved mental health and general functioning.
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In light of all this, I'm betting some of you will still perform mental gymnastics in order to argue with me about this, that or whatever. Pretty fucking ironic that the forum tranny is the only one providing data, papers, and facts on the matter and the bulk of YOU all are the ones acting like a posse of frothing SJW leftists.
I have NO agenda to push, I have always stated time and time again that ALL I WANT are science, data, research, and testing done to separate fact from fiction, reality from feels. You all are MORE than welcome (and I'm sure some of you will! Hi Mario / Zyyz / wormie) to sling shit, deny the mountain of evidence slapping you in the face that everything I have said is true but I hope the moderate and rational among you realize that willful ignorance on the subject is not cool. Not cool at all.
What I, personally, have gleaned a better understanding of is what some of you have brought up already and that is the fact that 4 out of 5 (on average) kids exhibiting gender incongruence (in some form or another) will "get over it" during puberty. This was something that I myself was ignorant on before now. This isn't something to sweep under the rug. False flags (for lack of better words) are tantamount to a tragedy that I and certainly none of you want to see happen. Yet there's also the study that states that ALL 70 youth undergoing puberty blockers had a better life due to them. What that tells me is that the teams of psychologists and doctors working with the kids and parents are doing their due diligence to separate the true trannies from the cases where "Joey likes dolls, but he's not actually trans, just a gay-boi" etc.
So yes, on the one hand my heart and mind want to say that 80% is too high a number to ignore and medical intervention for trannies needs to wait until 18... bar none. Yet there's still that nagging truth that is documented that true trannies that go through puberty will undergo mental health problems themselves, so I can't ALSO say "Think of the kids, but the trans kids? Eh fuck them tho". If anyone is rational on the matter, the best course of action would be (as I've said before in this thread) to continue to have very strict and regimented medical and psychological professionals dedicated to case by case families to absolutely, 100% ensure that the right patients are getting the right treatments so that literally everyone comes out happy. Evidence is showing this seems to be the case, and that's wonderful news. Have evidence to the contrary? Post it.
No one is denying it's a very very fucking tricky situation. It sucks... it's something I honestly simply wish didn't exist in the world.. this evil, mental illness of a thing called GD. But it does and no amount of whining, bitching, shitposting and being bigoted assfaces about it is going to just make it "go away" or flush away the facts on the matter about it.
To quote one of my favorite people of all time, Ben Shapiro: Facts don't care about your feelings.
Let's start with this one basic fact: I'm the only one providing links, citations and references about all of this. Go me.
_________________
Fact: Gender Dysphoria is a real, mental illness (or condition / problem etc.)
O <---click me
Transsexualism (ICD-10),[1] or gender identity disorder (DSM-IV),[2] is a condition in which a person's gender identity - the sense of being a man or a woman - contradicts his or her bodily sex characteristics. The individual experiences gender dysphoria and desires to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex.
O <---click me
Gender dysphoria is a discomfiting mental state associated with a disparity between one's internal sense of being either male or female and one's external anatomical sexual characteristics. Because most persons have never experienced such a disparity, perhaps one could empathize by imagining what it would be like for a man to wake up one morning to discover that his penis was gone. Further, imagine that it had been replaced by a vagina, with enlarged breasts on the chest. Surely, the man would feel extremely uncomfortable; manifesting a strong desire to change his body; a desire that is far more intense than a simple cosmetic desire. One could similarly imagine the inverse scenario for a woman. Such intense discomfort, accompanied by a desire for change, is the hallmark of gender dysphoria.
O <---click me
The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)1 defines gender dysphoria (GD) as a condition in which a person has marked incongruence between the expressed or experienced gender and the biological sex at birth. This causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning. Individuals with GD experience a strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from their assigned gender) and/or to be rid of their sex characteristics, and/or the strong conviction of having feelings and reactions typical of the other gender (or some alternative gender).
O <---click me
Gender dysphoria (GD) represents a condition where a person's gender assigned at birth and the gender with which they identify themselves are incongruent. Hence, these individuals can be very uncomfortable with their biological sex, primary and secondary sex characteristics, and social gender roles and they experience various levels of distress.
O <---click me
This paper is heavily focused on trans voice, but still states:
"Gender dysphoria (also known as “transsexualism”) is characterized as a discrepancy between anatomical sex and gender identity. Research points towards neurobiological influences."
_________________
Fact: Social transition is the "cure" for GD and is the best treatment for GD (thus far).
O <---click me
One hundred ninety-one had been men with female surgical reassignment. One hundred thirty-three had been women with male surgical reassignment. In most cases, such surgery had diminished the distress of gender dysphoria.
O <---click me
Even though surgery and hormonal therapy alleviates gender dysphoria, it is apparently not sufficient to remedy the high rates of morbidity and mortality found among transsexual persons.
O <---click me
This search found a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals.
O <---click me
Although many studies have reported psychiatric and psychological improvement after hormonal and/or surgical treatment,[7], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16] other have reported on regrets,[17] psychiatric morbidity, and suicide attempts after SRS.[9], [18] A recent systematic review and meta-analysis concluded that approximately 80% reported subjective improvement in terms of gender dysphoria, quality of life, and psychological symptoms, but also that there are studies reporting high psychiatric morbidity and suicide rates after sex reassignment.
_________________
Fact: Children exhibiting gender "issues" pre-puberty will, 80% of the time, resolve these issues via puberty.
O <---click me
In contrast to the first two models, no assumption is made that every child exhibiting a gender nonconforming presentation is in need of mental health treatment.
O <---click me
Children represent a small number of individuals with gender dysphoria and in only 10-20% of the children, gender dysphoria will continue to manifest in adolescence
O <---click me
Many individuals continue renegotiating their gender throughout childhood or adulthood, with no observable detriment to their mental health
O <---click me
Evidence from the 10 available prospective follow-up studies from childhood to adolescence (reviewed in the study by Ristori and Steensma28) indicates that for ~80% of children who meet the criteria for GDC, the GD recedes with puberty.
_________________
Fact: In cases of true trans-kids, puberty blockers are both beneficial and effective.
O <---click me
Reports of the outcomes of puberty suppression treatment in adolescents have shown reasonable safety and good outcomes regarding patient satisfaction and psychosocial functioning
O <---click me
In the Dutch authors’ words, the treatment, including puberty suppression, cross-sex hormones, and then in adulthood gender affirmation surgery, “leads to improved psychological functioning of transgender adolescents. While enabling them to make important age-appropriate developmental transitions, it contributes to a satisfactory objective and subjective well-being in young adulthood”.33 The authors propose that not only early medical intervention, but also a comprehensive multidisciplinary approach contributes to the youth’s gender health.
O <---click me
However, psychological therapy and support are highly recommended; while such services are now far more widely available, they are still insufficient to provide for complete wellbeing of these patients. Inadequate management of children with persistent gender dysphoria can lead to isolation, feeling of self-hatred, and suicidal ideas and attempts. Also, “passing through the wrong puberty” can have serious consequences for these individuals. Viable treatment options vary from fully reversible treatment, such as puberty-suppressing gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogues (GnRH) to partly reversible treatment, gonadal steroid treatment, as well as irreversible treatment, such as surgical removal of genitalia and reconstruction of new ones according to the desired gender.
De Vries et al. were the first to introduce the concept and research on the use of puberty blockers for treatment of transgender youth. The main idea behind the suppression of endogenous puberty was to decrease distress by preventing the development of “noncongruent” secondary sexual characteristics. This would give young individuals more time to get accustomed to their situation and to better explore their gender. In the examined group, all of 70 eligible candidates showed improved mental health and general functioning.
_________________
In light of all this, I'm betting some of you will still perform mental gymnastics in order to argue with me about this, that or whatever. Pretty fucking ironic that the forum tranny is the only one providing data, papers, and facts on the matter and the bulk of YOU all are the ones acting like a posse of frothing SJW leftists.
I have NO agenda to push, I have always stated time and time again that ALL I WANT are science, data, research, and testing done to separate fact from fiction, reality from feels. You all are MORE than welcome (and I'm sure some of you will! Hi Mario / Zyyz / wormie) to sling shit, deny the mountain of evidence slapping you in the face that everything I have said is true but I hope the moderate and rational among you realize that willful ignorance on the subject is not cool. Not cool at all.
What I, personally, have gleaned a better understanding of is what some of you have brought up already and that is the fact that 4 out of 5 (on average) kids exhibiting gender incongruence (in some form or another) will "get over it" during puberty. This was something that I myself was ignorant on before now. This isn't something to sweep under the rug. False flags (for lack of better words) are tantamount to a tragedy that I and certainly none of you want to see happen. Yet there's also the study that states that ALL 70 youth undergoing puberty blockers had a better life due to them. What that tells me is that the teams of psychologists and doctors working with the kids and parents are doing their due diligence to separate the true trannies from the cases where "Joey likes dolls, but he's not actually trans, just a gay-boi" etc.
So yes, on the one hand my heart and mind want to say that 80% is too high a number to ignore and medical intervention for trannies needs to wait until 18... bar none. Yet there's still that nagging truth that is documented that true trannies that go through puberty will undergo mental health problems themselves, so I can't ALSO say "Think of the kids, but the trans kids? Eh fuck them tho". If anyone is rational on the matter, the best course of action would be (as I've said before in this thread) to continue to have very strict and regimented medical and psychological professionals dedicated to case by case families to absolutely, 100% ensure that the right patients are getting the right treatments so that literally everyone comes out happy. Evidence is showing this seems to be the case, and that's wonderful news. Have evidence to the contrary? Post it.
No one is denying it's a very very fucking tricky situation. It sucks... it's something I honestly simply wish didn't exist in the world.. this evil, mental illness of a thing called GD. But it does and no amount of whining, bitching, shitposting and being bigoted assfaces about it is going to just make it "go away" or flush away the facts on the matter about it.
To quote one of my favorite people of all time, Ben Shapiro: Facts don't care about your feelings.
Jesus Christ, packing boxes during the retail shopping season fucking broke him.
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Vanessa
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I mean, I too completely disavow trannies reading to kids. You have no argument except strawmanning my views. This is the only card you have and it's a very sad card to play.
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