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sakkath
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I don't think they've nerfed memeing strike yet other than stopping you from killing things through walls. Melee 3.0 isn't live yet as far as I know, no ETA.. Maybe they still haven't worked out how to really fix melee without pissing off everybody. memeing strike is still definitely a thing. I still use it on any decently high level infested (like endless or sortie) but i prefer guns for grineer and corpus.
And I also used Mag as my first frame, never regretted it. I mostly just used pull to drag everything into one clump so I could slice them up with my beloved dual skanas.. ahh the good old days. On my main I still actually have never used excaliber other than Umbra.. funny. Played it on my sons xbox account though.
And I also used Mag as my first frame, never regretted it. I mostly just used pull to drag everything into one clump so I could slice them up with my beloved dual skanas.. ahh the good old days. On my main I still actually have never used excaliber other than Umbra.. funny. Played it on my sons xbox account though.
Sabbat
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I think I leveled Excal in two defense missions and have never played him since.
My progression was fairly simple. Mag > Rhino > Frost > Nova > Loki > Ember. Loki, Nova and Rhino are frames that I would suggest that everyone plays at least some of the time, they are just powerhouses in their own right and are capable in just about any mission type.
Frost is a defensive specialist and excels at his job, and for this reason I include him in my top 5 frames (Rhino, Loki, Frost, Nova and Ember).
Rhino is a weird one, for when I started playing him I stopped playing everything else, but quickly released he didn't bring much to the team in a group scenario. However, his damage add Roar, and his Stomp makes him a great teammate if Rhino is pushing out that damage increase, and stomping to CC during revives or tight spots -- he just doesn't make, break or catapult the team to glory like Nova can.
Nova is my go to frame for tough content that I'm not sure about who's bringing what. Nova is a massive force multiplier, capable of insane damage increases and defences through her Prime ability.
Loki is one of my favourite solo frames, and the occassional group content specialist. Stealth in Warframe is nothing like you expect if you've come from an MMO background. In Warframe you stay stealthed when taking hostile actions making it incredibly hard for the enemy AI to shoot you. Perfect for sneaky revives, Rescue, Capture, Spy and oddly enough, Survival missions ( I ran 45 min T4 void survival missions solo routinely).
Ember can burn Exterminate missions like few other frames can. World on Fire is a passive AoE, and when built correctly can be used to just eliminate everything on a map (nullifiers obviously need a little pewpew) by running from point A to point B. Fun and efficient for me, not so fun for some people. I quite often use Ember for Mobile Defence maps over Frost, shit doesn't shoot the pod/data device if it dies the instant it gets in range.
My progression was fairly simple. Mag > Rhino > Frost > Nova > Loki > Ember. Loki, Nova and Rhino are frames that I would suggest that everyone plays at least some of the time, they are just powerhouses in their own right and are capable in just about any mission type.
Frost is a defensive specialist and excels at his job, and for this reason I include him in my top 5 frames (Rhino, Loki, Frost, Nova and Ember).
Rhino is a weird one, for when I started playing him I stopped playing everything else, but quickly released he didn't bring much to the team in a group scenario. However, his damage add Roar, and his Stomp makes him a great teammate if Rhino is pushing out that damage increase, and stomping to CC during revives or tight spots -- he just doesn't make, break or catapult the team to glory like Nova can.
Nova is my go to frame for tough content that I'm not sure about who's bringing what. Nova is a massive force multiplier, capable of insane damage increases and defences through her Prime ability.
Loki is one of my favourite solo frames, and the occassional group content specialist. Stealth in Warframe is nothing like you expect if you've come from an MMO background. In Warframe you stay stealthed when taking hostile actions making it incredibly hard for the enemy AI to shoot you. Perfect for sneaky revives, Rescue, Capture, Spy and oddly enough, Survival missions ( I ran 45 min T4 void survival missions solo routinely).
Ember can burn Exterminate missions like few other frames can. World on Fire is a passive AoE, and when built correctly can be used to just eliminate everything on a map (nullifiers obviously need a little pewpew) by running from point A to point B. Fun and efficient for me, not so fun for some people. I quite often use Ember for Mobile Defence maps over Frost, shit doesn't shoot the pod/data device if it dies the instant it gets in range.
Croetec
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Find Ember falls off hard over anything level 30 due to her WoF nerf but still enjoyable, Equinox and Saryn outshine her easily. Just about every frame has a niche usage which is nice once you get the whole roster only a couple are in a rough spot or have been outscaled like Vauban/Nyx/Wukong.
Zindan
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My first frame was Mag as well, and I loved her, but her Crush wasn't doing much at higher levels back then (still doesn't). Moved on to Saryn who was insanely OP and could melt everything at high levels. Then I moved on to Nyx, Rhino, Frost, Nova (so fun at her release), and then Loki. Loki made the game stupidly easy and I lost interest for a long time, only coming back when an interesting frame was released.
sakkath
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Croetec
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Lot of MK and E1M1's out there which is still infinitely better then dududududuududududu, one of the few ways for players to be creative along with actually having an ability that requires timing to use though I wish they would allow you to change tempo for at least the whole song as I hated making a few and it being just a bit to fast or slow. I made Spybreak for mine after doing a few of the pre built ones that are out there.
sakkath
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Agreed, I've just copied a bunch of songs off youtube videos but most of them sound hardly like the original due to timing issues. One of the best sounding ones I use in game is supposed to be Darude - Sandstorm, but it sounds almost nothing like the original. I copied the Arilou theme from someone too and it sounds better than the original IMO.
Avatar of Nyx
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I havent messed with Warframe since the Second Dream. I had some pretty solid top of the line and rare (at the time) mods. How has the mod landscape changed since then? Trying to gauge how far behind I am should I decide to dive back in.
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New to the game but I've played a lot the last few days, probably more than I should have. I have a couple questions I couldn't find answers to.
Should I be leveling new frames, weapons, companions, etc asap? I think I'm MR 5 as of last night. As soon as something is max level I switch it out to level something else. Should I be focused on leveling everything that I have asap? If not, when is the right time to worry about my MR and leveling?
Second question is each mission has a recommended level. Is that frame level? Weapon level? Does my frame, weapon, companion etc have an aggregate level? Just seems like some missions have been complete ass unless I'm using the ez mode frames and weapons.
Edit: I have one more question. Are there frames that are considered much better than others? When I looked for a "best" frame or tier list the community seemed all high and mighty about "its all about preference" but then people bitch and moan on Reddit about the Limbo prime access and how it's not a noob friendly frame.
Should I be leveling new frames, weapons, companions, etc asap? I think I'm MR 5 as of last night. As soon as something is max level I switch it out to level something else. Should I be focused on leveling everything that I have asap? If not, when is the right time to worry about my MR and leveling?
Second question is each mission has a recommended level. Is that frame level? Weapon level? Does my frame, weapon, companion etc have an aggregate level? Just seems like some missions have been complete ass unless I'm using the ez mode frames and weapons.
Edit: I have one more question. Are there frames that are considered much better than others? When I looked for a "best" frame or tier list the community seemed all high and mighty about "its all about preference" but then people bitch and moan on Reddit about the Limbo prime access and how it's not a noob friendly frame.
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sakkath
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The most common & recommended strategy for levelling things is use one powerful weapon and level the other two slots. It works well in a large group as the kills from your teammates split 'xp' amongst all of your equipped items.
There's definitely no best frame. Most frames have a use in specific circumstances. Some frames are considered better than others in some circumstances where abilities overlap in utility. For any specific mission type there are many (even most) frames which you can utilize to good effect.
Limbo is not considered noob friendly because it really messes with your team if not played well, although it's not as bad as it used to be. They changed Limbo's 4 ability to make it much more group friendly when they released limbo prime.
There's definitely no best frame. Most frames have a use in specific circumstances. Some frames are considered better than others in some circumstances where abilities overlap in utility. For any specific mission type there are many (even most) frames which you can utilize to good effect.
Limbo is not considered noob friendly because it really messes with your team if not played well, although it's not as bad as it used to be. They changed Limbo's 4 ability to make it much more group friendly when they released limbo prime.
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Croetec
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Limbo's Cataclysm, his 4, no longer stops team bullets and you're allowed to shoot freely inside of it. Biggest noob trap with him is not realizing you can't interact with certain objectives, data mass consoles/life support in survival, if his cataclysm is up which tends to piss people off. As long as you know to drop it so the objective can be used when its needed he's perfectly fine and is top tier for just about anything requiring defense. Learning to toggle his 2, stasis, allows you to let enemies into the bubble then freeze time again as once you've killed everything inside of it new mobs get stuck at its edge and certain parts of it, usually the head, aren't always target-able because its model is outside while its legs are inside the bubble.
His 1 and 3 are still kind of clunky and people sometimes fail to realize they have banished a mob on say a defense wave not allowing anyone to kill and the Limbo failing to realize he needs to jump to other dimension to kill it.
His 1 and 3 are still kind of clunky and people sometimes fail to realize they have banished a mob on say a defense wave not allowing anyone to kill and the Limbo failing to realize he needs to jump to other dimension to kill it.
Cool, I knew the rest of that, didn't know they changed friendly bullets. That helps with them breaking cataclysm early too, as there is a Max limit of projectiles in his cata before it breaks.
It was 2 that stopped everything in Cata or with the number 1. Also if you jump to your operator while a cata is out, you can interact with terminals.
Sabbat
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Just a quick post about this, it's late so I can't go into great detail, I might update it in the morning.
Short answer is yes, build and level all the things. MR is a time gate that will get you access to some different weapons. Most importantly it exposes you to new weapons, playstyles and teaches you the niches that certain frames, weapons and mods will utilise. heh, diversity.
Recommended level for missions is not actually what it says, that level number is the level of the enemy types you will encounter. Bringing a rank 2 Lato (sidearm) into a level 40 map isn't going to be fun for you. For things like survival missions, that number is the starting level of enemies you fight, and things will scale up from there. Mission type is far more important to weapon selection and warframe type.
Yes, warframes have niche roles. Some have more utility than others, some have more utility outside of their role than others. Not all warframes are equal, but weapons are the great equalizer in this situation. The list I posted earlier is a great set of 5 frames that you can use for pretty much the life of the game. I failed to mention that Ember doesn't scale with damage very well, and hits a wall that a frame like Saryn does not, I'm actually experimenting with Saryn now, and while Saryn scales into high level enemies, Ember outperforms her at anything before level 50 (mob level).
To put things in perspective if you've done it... I regularly solo 20-30 minute Orokin Derelict Survival with Ember or Nova. At 20 minutes Ember starts to really fall off, and Nova is just hitting her stride and will scale with your weapons past that 30 minute mark. While 20-30 minutes solo T4 survivals aren't all that much of a big deal, it's pretty efficient to just run to 20 and restart if you're farming warframe components.
Side note about frames.. and why I believe getting all the things is important.. trying to get the Kavat scans with any other frame other than Vauban can be painful. It becomes trivial with Vauban (his Bastille suspends all hostiles in range, making defending the Kavats from the enemies on the map, and actually scanning the jumpy little bastards easy). Vauban was also super useful on Infested maps along time ago, that I believe now that a bunch of Infested are ranged, Vauban was not as easy mode as it once was. I also bet that there's another way to scan Kavats just as easy as Vauban that I haven't thought of, or read about.
Short answer is yes, build and level all the things. MR is a time gate that will get you access to some different weapons. Most importantly it exposes you to new weapons, playstyles and teaches you the niches that certain frames, weapons and mods will utilise. heh, diversity.
Recommended level for missions is not actually what it says, that level number is the level of the enemy types you will encounter. Bringing a rank 2 Lato (sidearm) into a level 40 map isn't going to be fun for you. For things like survival missions, that number is the starting level of enemies you fight, and things will scale up from there. Mission type is far more important to weapon selection and warframe type.
Yes, warframes have niche roles. Some have more utility than others, some have more utility outside of their role than others. Not all warframes are equal, but weapons are the great equalizer in this situation. The list I posted earlier is a great set of 5 frames that you can use for pretty much the life of the game. I failed to mention that Ember doesn't scale with damage very well, and hits a wall that a frame like Saryn does not, I'm actually experimenting with Saryn now, and while Saryn scales into high level enemies, Ember outperforms her at anything before level 50 (mob level).
To put things in perspective if you've done it... I regularly solo 20-30 minute Orokin Derelict Survival with Ember or Nova. At 20 minutes Ember starts to really fall off, and Nova is just hitting her stride and will scale with your weapons past that 30 minute mark. While 20-30 minutes solo T4 survivals aren't all that much of a big deal, it's pretty efficient to just run to 20 and restart if you're farming warframe components.
Side note about frames.. and why I believe getting all the things is important.. trying to get the Kavat scans with any other frame other than Vauban can be painful. It becomes trivial with Vauban (his Bastille suspends all hostiles in range, making defending the Kavats from the enemies on the map, and actually scanning the jumpy little bastards easy). Vauban was also super useful on Infested maps along time ago, that I believe now that a bunch of Infested are ranged, Vauban was not as easy mode as it once was. I also bet that there's another way to scan Kavats just as easy as Vauban that I haven't thought of, or read about.
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