Weight Loss Thread

Burnem Wizfyre said:

1. I said you can’t burn fat constantly spiking your insulin, insulin is the fat storing hormone.

2. If your metabolism is high enough you can eat any number of carbs and burn weight, but not if you spike your insulin constantly be it from carbs, fiber or protein. Insulin levels have to subside before fat burning can begin.

3. I never said you can’t lose weight eating 200-400g of carbs a day, this is just another one of your straw men.

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Sorry what?


"If your metabolism is high enough you can eat any number of carbs and burn weight, but not if you spike your insulin constantly be it from carbs, fiber or protein" you are literally contradicting yourself in the same sentence.

"I never said you can’t lose weight eating 200-400g of carbs a day" Yes you did, you literally said it in the first sentence


When I was eating 200-400g carbs a day and 2500-3500 calories a day, which included carbs in my during workout shake, post workout shake, post workout meals. Was I spiking my insulin or not? When I was eating the occasional Dominoes chicken wings, Pizza and Cookies, was I spiking insulin or not?

Are you aware that the whole point of saving carbs for during and post workout is TO LITERALLY SPIKE INSULIN SO THAT THE GLYCOGEN GOES TO THE MUSCLES FASTER?

Did I still lose weight, burn body fat and gain muscle in the photos that I've already posted?

Ossoi said:

Sorry what?


"If your metabolism is high enough you can eat any number of carbs and burn weight, but not if you spike your insulin constantly be it from carbs, fiber or protein" you are literally contradicting yourself in the same sentence.

"I never said you can’t lose weight eating 200-400g of carbs a day" Yes you did, you literally said it in the first sentence


When I was eating 200-400g carbs a day and 2500-3500 calories a day, which included carbs in my during workout shake, post workout shake, post workout meals. Was I spiking my insulin or not? When I was eating the occasional Dominoes chicken wings, Pizza and Cookies, was I spiking insulin or not?

Are you aware that the whole point of saving carbs for during and post workout is TO LITERALLY SPIKE INSULIN SO THAT THE GLYCOGEN GOES TO THE MUSCLES FASTER?

Did I still lose weight, burn body fat and gain muscle in the photos that I've already posted?

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You’re building muscle and it’s clear to anyone whose read what you’ve been saying and weight loss is not your primary concern. If you only cared about burning fat and not about building and maintaining muscle you wouldn’t be carb loading like that. I didn’t contradict myself at all, at no time in any of your post did you constantly spike your insulin nor at any point did I make any of the straw men arguments you’ve been going on about. Fat burning and muscle building is two different things and both require different strategies and none of that changes the fact that you can’t burn while high levels of insulin are present in the body.

Burnem Wizfyre said:

and it’s clear to anyone whose read what you’ve been saying and weight loss is not your primary concern.

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No, it's clear to anyone who read what I've been saying that:

a) I didn't train for 11 months.
b) My weight went from 75kg in January 2019 to 85kg in August 2019.
c) I resumed training in December 2019
d) If weight loss was not my primary concern why did I end up at 74.5kg at the end of January? - And 72kg by March 20th?
e) You realise I told you that the only reason I gained muscle in that 9 week period was because I was untrained?
f) Why are you so thick that you constantly have to be corrected and reminded of what has been said multiple times already?
g) Are you just playing thick to get me to keep posting photos because you have a crush on me or something?

If you only cared about burning fat and not about building and maintaining muscle you wouldn’t be carb loading like that.

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Why did I lose 4.1kg then?

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT REPEAT YOUR "I WOULD HAVE GOT FASTER RESULTS", YOU HAVE ZERO IDEA OR EXPERIENCE OF GETTING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT FIGURES

At no time in any of your post did you constantly spike your insulin

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I literally just said how I was spiking insulin in the post you've replied to: When I was eating 200-400g carbs a day and 2500-3500 calories a day, which included carbs in my during workout shake, post workout shake, post workout meals. Was I spiking my insulin or not? When I was eating the occasional Dominoes chicken wings, Pizza and Cookies, was I spiking insulin or not?

Answer the above question: is adding 25g of highly branched cyclic dextrin to my 2 workout shakes, drinking post workout protein shakes with carbs in and saving all my carbs for my post workout meals - SPIKING INSULIN OR NOT?

Yes or no?

changes the fact that you can’t burn while high levels of insulin are present in the body.

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Did you or did you not say that: "It (burning fat) is possible for you because your increased muscle mass increases your metabolism?"

Yes or no?

Therefore: Is it possible to burn fat whilst spiking insulin if your muscle mass is high enough and your metabolism fast enough?

Yes or no?


THREE QUESTIONS = THREE ANSWERS

Falxy-US said:

"Doctors are all fucking idiots and know nothing!" "Here are articles by doctors!"

What a fucking hypocrite!!!

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I know why you like Ossoi so much, you love arguing against straw men you two have that in common.

Burnem Wizfyre said:

I know why you like Ossoi so much, you love arguing against straw men.

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Still waiting for those answers, champ

Ossoi said:

No, it's clear to anyone who read what I've been saying that:

a) I didn't train for 11 months.
b) My weight went from 75kg in January 2019 to 85kg in August 2019.
c) I resumed training in December 2019
d) If weight loss was not my primary concern why did I end up at 74.5kg at the end of January? - And 72kg by March 20th?
e) You realise I told you that the only reason I gained muscle in that 9 week period was because I was untrained?
f) Why are you so thick that you constantly have to be corrected and reminded of what has been said multiple times already?
g) Are you just playing thick to get me to keep posting photos because you have a crush on me or something?

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Why did I lose 4.1kg then?

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT REPEAT YOUR "I WOULD HAVE GOT FASTER RESULTS", YOU HAVE ZERO IDEA OR EXPERIENCE OF GETTING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT FIGURES



I literally just said how I was spiking insulin in the post you've replied to: When I was eating 200-400g carbs a day and 2500-3500 calories a day, which included carbs in my during workout shake, post workout shake, post workout meals. Was I spiking my insulin or not? When I was eating the occasional Dominoes chicken wings, Pizza and Cookies, was I spiking insulin or not?

Answer the above question: is adding 25g of highly branched cyclic dextrin to my 2 workout shakes, drinking post workout protein shakes with carbs in and saving all my carbs for my post workout meals - SPIKING INSULIN OR NOT?

Yes or no?



Did you or did you not say that: "It (burning fat) is possible for you because your increased muscle mass increases your metabolism?"

Yes or no?

Therefore: Is it possible to burn fat whilst spiking insulin if your muscle mass is high enough and your metabolism fast enough?

Yes or no?


THREE QUESTIONS = THREE ANSWERS

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You’re going on ignore you literally said in the post before this you carb loaded to send it to your muscles, that’s muscle building not fat burning. I pressed you multiple times to give me times of your eating patterns, you can easily eat what you did and still lose fat based on your metabolism and AFTER your insulin levels come down, i seriously doubt you were stuffing your face every 2-3 hours preventing your insulin levels to subside.

Just for everyone else, for a guy who doesn’t know shit about fat burning I burned nearly 50% of my body weight in a little over 3 months, I’ve lost nearly as much weight and kept it off as that cunt stain Ossoi currently weights and I did it sitting on my ass not doing a god damn thing while he busted his ass and brute forced it. I worked smarter not harder.

I’ve just finished a 18 hour treat and headed home and worked 94 hours this week, maybe I might take you off ignore after I enjoy my weekend.

Burnem Wizfyre said:

You’re going on ignore you literally said in the post before this you carb loaded to send it to your muscles, that’s muscle building not fat burning

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What I actually said: "Are you aware that the whole point of saving carbs for during and post workout is TO LITERALLY SPIKE INSULIN SO THAT THE GLYCOGEN GOES TO THE MUSCLES FASTER?"

You are surely aware that glycogen = energy/fuel?

Nowhere in that sentence does it say "IN ORDER TO FUEL GROWTH"

You realise I've told you multiple times that I only care about body composition = a) burning fat b) gaining muscle/preserving muscle

And, in most cases, simultaneously gaining muscle whilst burning fat is impossible.

That I was untrained for 11 months, and went from 72kg in October 2018, 75kg in January 2019 to 85kg in August 2019 and 79kg in December 2019. I had a fetish party at the end of January to get ready for, so my priority was to BURN FAT, because what's the point gaining muscle (which nearly always comes with extra fat) when I'm already over weight, not ripped, not toned, not lean.

I pressed you multiple times to give me times of your eating patterns,

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And I told you that I tried scrolling back 15 months on fitbit but it took too long, that I wasn't intentionally fasting and that I was eating 3 meals a day with multiple shakes during and post workout.

you can easily eat what you did and still lose fat based on your metabolism and AFTER your insulin levels come down

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If I wasn't spiking my insulin as you earlier claimed (At no time in any of your post did you constantly spike your insulin), why would my insulin levels need to "come down"?

If I wasn't spiking my insulin why did you say the following?

i seriously doubt you were stuffing your face every 2-3 hours preventing your insulin levels to subside.

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What do you think 25g of fast digesting carb powder during workout, and after workout is?

What do you think a Dominoes starter, pizza and dessert is if not "stuffing my face"?

I burned nearly 50% of my body weight in a little over 3 months, I’ve lost nearly as much weight and kept it off as that cunt stain Ossoi currently weights and I did it sitting on my ass not doing a god damn thing while he busted his ass and brute forced it.

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Ahh this gem again. This really isn't the trump card you think it is

You’re going on ignore

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Didn't you say this yesterday?

Is ignore easier than answering 3 yes or no questions?


Here: I've simplified the circle for you.

All you have to do is address the below contradicition and we both get to walk away

More Burnem Wizfyre nonsense / contradictions

If anyone is annoyed at how me and Burnem Wizfyre have taken over this thread for 24+ hours, then well I can't help it.

It's the fact he constantly contradicts himself but doesn't realise. I mean look at this




First he says it's harder for a type 2 diabetic with insulin resistance to lose weight than it is for me. But then he says, what I do (lifting weights, eating well, tracking calories in pursuit of body composition) IS HARDER THAN ANYTHING HE DOES. He finishes by claiming that FASTING IS EASIER

So Burnem Wizfyre is it harder or easier for you?

maybe try posting another pic of you in your underwear. it might work this time

Locnar said:

Ok health gurus I got a question. I have a friend who is older and was recently put on Metformin to lower his blood sugar. On hearing that this could have therapeutic long term good effects on anyone, I started to bum some of his metformin stash and taking 500mg in the AM and 500mg in the PM.

Should I continue this? Even though I am eating keto and not really consuming sugar anyways?

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Well I don't blame you if you haven't been reading each post for the last 24 hours, but it was essentially a debate re the insulin obesity model.

But regardless, yeah - taking someone elses prescribed medication is generally a bad idea.

Locnar said:

I've read though that becoming more insulin resistant as we age happens in everyone, and the liver releases glucose at night which the metformin counteracts and stops this age related insulin resistance. Eventually almost EVERYONE becomes insulin resistant at some level with age and metformin could forestall this.

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With that logic you might as well find:

a) Someone on TRT to start taking their testosterone
b) Someone on viagra to counter age related impotence
c) Someone on anti-depressants for when an ageing loved one dies to counter-act any grief.
d) Someone bald, so you can take their anti hair loss medication

Lose weight, exercise - after all, even Burnem Wizfyre conceded that because of my phyisque I'm less likely to be insulin resistant

Locnar said:

Ok health gurus I got a question. I have a friend who is older and was recently put on Metformin to lower his blood sugar. On hearing that this could have therapeutic long term good effects on anyone, I started to bum some of his metformin stash and taking 500mg in the AM and 500mg in the PM.

Should I continue this? Even though I am eating keto and not really consuming sugar anyways?

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You taking NMN and Resveratrol as well, have you been listening to David Sinclair? I won’t tell you to take someone else’s prescription medicine and as someone whose doctor cut his metformin supply off due to no longer being diabetic I switched to Berberine as a natural alternative but I’d take the metformin if my doctor would still give it to me.