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Coding camps are cancer

Noodleface said:

Coding camps are cancer

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I am actually considering taking a cert camp to get everything i can done. But the expense is so retarded on those things. I just have been here for four years now and I let everything expire.

radditsu said:

I am actually considering taking a cert camp to get everything i can done. But the expense is so retarded on those things. I just have been here for four years now and I let everything expire.

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Well I should clarify.

If you have a degree/career already and want to augment your abilities a coding camp might be good (I say might because most are trash). But I don't like the guys with no career or knowledge who take one and compete for jobs.

a_skeleton_06 said:

Unfortunately not currently. My old job gave me a yearly education stipend of 3k (though it was pulling teeth to get shit approved). My current one wouldn't even let me expense a $44 CCNA book under the educational account.

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I'm an IT Project Manager, and just finished the prereqs to get PMP certified earlier this year. My boss at the time was more than happy to rubber-stamp the expenses - course, exam fee, etc - but we just did a reorg and the new guy seems like he's not going to support it at all. FML.

Noodleface said:

Well I should clarify.

If you have a degree/career already and want to augment your abilities a coding camp might be good (I say might because most are trash). But I don't like the guys with no career or knowledge who take one and compete for jobs.

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I imagine it is like anything. You don't take a SANS course and come in aND start telling everyone what's what. You do that to show effort and a basic level of knowledge, then you map out your goals and show an employer you are serious about the field. I've taken several coding classes at this point and I don't even put that shit on my resume.

a_skeleton_06 said:

I wanted to do the VMware one but it was something like 6k which is insane.

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Where? The ones i were looking at were like 15k

Some of those camps are worthwhile...I took the CISSP one and passed my Cert the next day. It was a long week, but better than studying on my own for it. The test is a little bullshit...Lots of archaic questions and tricky wordings. I still passed, but doing the bootcamp certainly helped. I can't imagine doing a coding camp though...Kill me now.

Some of these "coding schools" are getting a bit ridiculous (see Center Centre and 42: Tuition Free Coding University in the Silicon Valley at the 2 ends of the spectrum). Time to jump on the bandwagon and open one? Might as well just teach the trinity (product ownership, ux, engineering) and ship well-oiled product teams directly to industry...

I know a few people who have done those. The results have been mixed.

I can echo chaos' statements, as proof. Like most here I've been a computer nerd for quite some time, but never went to school for it. Previous job was ending, had advanced notice, went to school for 6 months, banged out my CCNA, and now I'm working as a Net Tech 2, working on an Enterprise Network. Shit's bad ass, but I do think I'm a little underpaid at 40k a year.

Alex said:

I know a few people who have done those. The results have been mixed.

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I think being a successful coder is 99% having the right personality type. I think many people see developer salaries and just do a boot camp but aren't actually wired to be everyday developers.

a_skeleton_06 said:

I wanted to do the VMware one but it was something like 6k which is insane.

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I need to actually suck it up and do the certs. I assist with reviewing VCDX-Cloud defenses a couple of times a year. Had more than one person approach me to work on VCDX with them. I'm like uhhh I need actual certs to be able to do that right?

Tenks said:

I think being a successful coder is 99% having the right personality type. I think many people see developer salaries and just do a boot camp but aren't actually wired to be everyday developers.

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100% this. I entered CS as a college freshman back during the dot com bubble when it was the wave of the future. Coding just wasn't in my DNA. I could do it, but I hated it. I was never one of those people who gets into a flow state while coding and can just knock things out.

Coding is great if you have mild ocd. The feeling of accomplishment when something works is surreal.