Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)

Khane

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I'm assuming you're comparing the shit Gunn tweeted to the shit Roseanne tweeted but it really has almost fuck all to do with the content for the people who feign such outrage. It's not a "this issue" vs "that issue" for them. It's an "us" vs "them". It doesn't actually matter to them what's being said, just what side you pretend to be on. They sit there waiting for whoever they don't agree with to "fuck up" so they can scream bloody murder.

It's all really just human nature taken to an ugly extreme. We all give our friends and family more leeway than our "enemies" but it's become acceptable and even encouraged to share every ounce of our lives as well as be voyeurs. It isn't a value system. It's a point system. How many virtual likes can I get?
 
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don't all those anti gay white guys eventually get caught w/ a male prostitute or a bathroom stall bj? they really love talking about gays
nah, thats one of those urban legends based on ONE guy who was in a rest room and supposedly something happened. the fake news told us what they wanted us to believe to fit their narrative.
 
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When I was 17 I took a flight for the first time by myself across the country. This was, damn, more than a decade ago.

Anyway, I stopped in an Airport bathroom to take a shit. I like to have a wide stance when I'm shitting because I feel more powerful taking up as much space as possible.

Some guy gets in the stall next to mine and starts to play footsie with me. Being a friendly guy, and finding the situation humorous, I play footsie back.

This fucking guy jumps out of his stall, and starts pounding on mine.

"What are you doing?" I asked.

"Let me in."

"Uh, why?"

I've never heard a man give out a more exaggerated and disappointed sigh in my life.

A few years later I learned what that was about. Fucking faggots ruining bathroom footsie.
 
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As others have said, if I had my way, no one would be fired for humor, or ribbing other people unless you have quantifiable evidence of a loss due to it. I think appeasing the mob makes everyone a loser in the end. By making it about money, you're just appeasing your customers, and that requires the 'mob' to give up something in order to express their outrage, which instantly makes any mob less destructive. But Gunn was there cheering for other people to be fired for the same kind of cheap mob mentality, where the only currency was outrage and the only cost was outrage, so fuck him.


(As an aside, not directed at you as I believe you're saying what all of us are, that this mob bullshit is ridiculous, but just more as a 'shower thought' about the current state of social justice dogma in the U.S.)


Has anyone thought about the implications of people who justify firing people for "being racist" vs Gunn? What does it say about us as a society that we view that POTENTIALLY inferring a black person is lesser by making fun of their looks, as a joke, is somehow more profane than expressly joking children should be raped and abused.

What does that kind of value system imply about a society? How utterly deranged and ridiculous it is and the kind of effects it must have on discourse between groups within society, when you confirm we view a racial group as more vulnerable and delicate than children. Really, not much shocks me anymore, but watching a lot of people try to argue Roseane deserved it, while Gunn didn't has been a sad kind of summary of our ridiculous values right now, and seeing how oblivious people are to it illustrates how this new kind of perverse racism has taken hold.

I originally wrote a long post in response to this, but ended on the thought of "what the fuck has Roseanne done for society?" So I've skipped the preface and I'll leave it at that.
 

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I'm assuming you're comparing the shit Gunn tweeted to the shit Roseanne tweeted but it really has almost fuck all to do with the content for the people who feign such outrage. It's not a "this issue" vs "that issue" for them. It's an "us" vs "them". It doesn't actually matter to them what's being said, just what side you pretend to be on. They sit there waiting for whoever they don't agree with to "fuck up" so they can scream bloody murder.

It's all really just human nature taken to an ugly extreme. We all give our friends and family more leeway than our "enemies" but it's become acceptable and even encouraged to share every ounce of our lives as well as be voyeurs. It isn't a value system. It's a point system. How many virtual likes can I get?

Well that's exactly it. And this is what I always say about the whole SJW hysteria in general, I've said it for years now. They don't care about the beliefs they espouse, not even a little. The whole reasoning for it is because its a very powerful excuse to bully others, and gain in group validation for doing it. These are things humans crave, they are the central theme to any morality and religious system, how to segregate us from 'them'. But you control these appetites by codifying them and being objective. (This is why you see all kind of ritual in a court room, with the judges sitting higher, and the rules of decorum ect. Its all feeding into the same basic 'in group' principle. But it does so in a very controlled way, trying to be objective and maintain a consistent view of values).

Which is why one of the first things critical theory rejected was objectivity. "Lived experiences" and "the personal is political" are rallying cries for a reason. Its main goal is reduce the idea of the reasonable standard, and extol the idea of personal outrage. It's not about the action, but rather how you FEEL about the action. This is how things like microaggressions came to be, where even if its KNOWN the motivation for the action was not offensive, and the action itself was not generally considered offensive, then it could STILL be racist/sexist if the person 'experienced' it as offensive. It's that kind of 'lived experience' and 'objectivity is a form of oppression' which has lead to a lot of this insanity.

But in the end, whether we intend it or not, humans still base their heuristic values off of who gets targeted for what. You're right in the reasoning, but I was speaking about the effect. Because even if people know this is a sham, in the end, our brains constantly absorb information about what works and what doesn't socially. So on that level, how does such a system ascribe values to us? Its a pretty ugly picture.
 
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Has anyone thought about the implications of people who justify firing people for "being racist" vs Gunn? What does it say about us as a society that we view that POTENTIALLY inferring a black person is lesser by making fun of their looks, as a joke, is somehow more profane than expressly joking children should be raped and abused.

What does that kind of value system imply about a society? How utterly deranged and ridiculous it is and the kind of effects it must have on discourse between groups within society, when you confirm we view a racial group as more vulnerable and delicate than children. Really, not much shocks me anymore, but watching a lot of people try to argue Roseane deserved it, while Gunn didn't has been a sad kind of summary of our ridiculous values right now, and seeing how oblivious people are to it illustrates how this new kind of perverse racism has taken hold.

This is such a good point that isn't being pushed hard enough. A one time occurrence of saying detrimental comments about a woman who doesn't even look black is worse than oft repeated and tasteless baby rape jokes. That's unbelievable. The next point, and where I think the center had to punish guys like Gunn, is the liberal belief(and tested result), of being invulnerable. Kaepernick was ridiculed by black athletes for not being black(or black enough) to comment on 'racial' injustice'. Not only were they trying to silence him, but when he played his negro card, there were no repercussions against those same athletes. It was 'they are black' and everything is suddenly fine. Such an incredibly racist stance, but because of who they are, it was considered acceptable. The Left has to be punished as much as possible to return us back to the center. They've gone so far past acceptable standards that certain repugnant actions are almost necessary. We have to be caretakers of the limitations on society and one of those limitations is baby rape in all forms. Sorry provocateurs.
 
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Is this copypasta?

No.

You're telling me you've never been propositioned for hot gay anonymous sex in an airport bathroom stal by a middle aged businessman while you were a jail bait nubile fuckboi?

I'm sorry you aren't attractive, my dude.
 
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Khane

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What if he had offered you some papa john's garlic butter sauce?
 
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Himeo

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If he'd offered some PJ Garlic Butter we might have been in business.

 
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‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ Cast Says It ‘Fully Supports’ James Gunn
Sources say there has been a growing feeling that Gunn could be reinstated, especially because Marvel and Disney have been unusually radio-silent on who could replace him since the firing. Production is slated to start at the top of 2019, and following Gunn’s removal from the film, it was thought that Marvel and Disney would need to move quickly to replace him, since the replacement would likely have to do some work on the script.

With Walt Disney chairman Bob Iger out on vacation currently, insiders believed a decision would not be made until he returned to work.
 
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‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ Cast Says It ‘Fully Supports’ James Gunn
Sources say there has been a growing feeling that Gunn could be reinstated, especially because Marvel and Disney have been unusually radio-silent on who could replace him since the firing. Production is slated to start at the top of 2019, and following Gunn’s removal from the film, it was thought that Marvel and Disney would need to move quickly to replace him, since the replacement would likely have to do some work on the script.

With Walt Disney chairman Bob Iger out on vacation currently, insiders believed a decision would not be made until he returned to work.

I would like to know who the cast of Guardians of the Galaxy fully supports that they do not have direct financial ties to or that they disagree with politically.
 
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awesome. gunn did a good job on guardians. plus it'll take the thunder out of these sorts of allegations if disney is fine with pedojokester.
 

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Make a racist joke you are a racist.

Sexist joke, you are a sexist.

Make a pedophilia joke, just off colour inappropriate humour that should be forgiven and not punished.

Because racism and sexism are worse than pedophilia.

Fuck anyone who stands by Disney, or anyone, rehiring that piece of shit.
 
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So you never told the what's better than having sex with twenty four year olds joke?
 
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